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    You might not be sure, but I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
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    No it wouldn't, they tried it with Linux, it didn't work, and that's a free operating system. If you unbundled the OS from the Hardware the only people buying computers would be people like me and you and other techies.
    That would be a different scenario. The hardware companies deliver the boxes and the software guys the OS. Then you have system integrators that put the two together. I think a lot of people would opt for Linux if they could save a couple of hundred bucks. And it would give an incentive to the Linux crowd to get organized.

    And people like you and me would buy the bare bone boxes and integrate ourselves.
    I don't think you'd save a couple of hundred at the moment, PCs in Australia are dirt cheap(for Australia) at the moment. There are Windows 8 laptops at under $400 at the moment admittedly not the fastest lappies on the block but good enough for some.
    Of course because the OEMs get the OS for a few bucks. But if a system integrator would have to buy it for the retail price, the hardware would be a few bucks cheaper but the OS would pile on top - or not in the case of Linux or Android.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    apple and Adobe were also mentioned in getting flack from the Australian government due to unfair pricing, not JUST Microsoft.
    I wasn't posting about what the companies charge (Microsoft's pricing is often no where near as bad as the others, especially Adobe), the post was about the comment made by Microsoft as to where it appears to be heading. I posted the entire statement to put things into context. You must have been channelling Bill when you read my post and then wrote your comment.
    Yeah, and I was posting about the article itself about the pricing issues, especially since the Australian government said that Microsoft really has no other competition in their space which is honestly moot. There are google docs, Libre/Open Office, Ubuntu, chrome OS, and even Microsoft's COMPETITOR that was in that room, apple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    apple and Adobe were also mentioned in getting flack from the Australian government due to unfair pricing, not JUST Microsoft.
    I wasn't posting about what the companies charge (Microsoft's pricing is often no where near as bad as the others, especially Adobe), the post was about the comment made by Microsoft as to where it appears to be heading. I posted the entire statement to put things into context. You must have been channelling Bill when you read my post and then wrote your comment.
    Yeah, and I was posting about the article itself about the pricing issues, especially since the Australian government said that Microsoft really has no other competition in their space which is honestly moot. There are google docs, Libre/Open Office, Ubuntu, chrome OS, and even Microsoft's COMPETITOR that was in that room, apple.
    Two points:

    Firstly, you quite clearly emphasised ...'not JUST Microsoft...', which implies that you felt that I was singling out Microsoft. The issue of pricing had nothing to do with this thread, so why attempt to take the discussion off-track?

    Secondly, I went through the article several times and cannot find any reference to '...the Australian government said that Microsoft really has no other competition...'. Where do you get this from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post

    I wasn't posting about what the companies charge (Microsoft's pricing is often no where near as bad as the others, especially Adobe), the post was about the comment made by Microsoft as to where it appears to be heading. I posted the entire statement to put things into context. You must have been channelling Bill when you read my post and then wrote your comment.
    Yeah, and I was posting about the article itself about the pricing issues, especially since the Australian government said that Microsoft really has no other competition in their space which is honestly moot. There are google docs, Libre/Open Office, Ubuntu, chrome OS, and even Microsoft's COMPETITOR that was in that room, apple.
    Two points:

    Firstly, you quite clearly emphasised ...'not JUST Microsoft...', which implies that you felt that I was singling out Microsoft. The issue of pricing had nothing to do with this thread, so why attempt to take the discussion off-track?

    Secondly, I went through the article several times and cannot find any reference to '...the Australian government said that Microsoft really has no other competition...'. Where do you get this from?
    Two rebuttals:

    Do you not know how to forums? That's what happens, things will without doubt get off track. Have you not been here long enough to know that by now? Also, the point of the article is centered around Microsoft and the thread as well as it is.

    Second...
    Microsoft, Adobe, Apple poorly justify Australian price gouging - Neowin
    This is the article I read today about this and the reference I used to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Two rebuttals:

    Do you not know how to forums? That's what happens, things will without doubt get off track. Have you not been here long enough to know that by now? Also, the point of the article is centered around Microsoft and the thread as well as it is.

    Second...
    Microsoft, Adobe, Apple poorly justify Australian price gouging - Neowin
    This is the article I read today about this and the reference I used to that.
    I'm well aware that forums regularly go off track, but that is usually the trait of individuals that have no interest in intelligent discussion. I'll note for future reference that this is something that you are predisposed to doing.

    So you post a statement based on an article that no one else has seen and expect others to know that's where you are getting your information? Was it too difficult to post that reference upfront and even quote where you got your idea?

    You'll also find some transcripts of the hearing here: Australia Tax Inquiry Live Blog: Unbelievable Testimony As It Happened | Gizmodo Australia, which puts additional context into the statement made by Jones:

    [1:42]
    Committee says that you’d be very surprised to walk into an Australian business and not find a copy of Microsoft Office on there. Trying to get Marlow to admit that the Lion’s share of small businesses use Microsoft’s products. She won’t be drawn because she doesn’t have the market share details in front of her.

    [1:44]
    Committee adds that small businesses are either too busy or too lazy to compare Microsoft Office to the freeware and open source alternatives. This feels very leading of the Committee.
    While alternatives are available, it's often not so easy to move to an alternative, which is the context that I think Jones was talking about. But given the way Microsoft is heading, the incentive to seek out alternatives may well grow strong.
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    While alternatives are available, it's often not so easy to move to an alternative, which is the context that I think Jones was talking about. But given the way Microsoft is heading, the incentive to seek out alternatives may well grow strong.
    That is very true - and it is already happening since a while. Look at the growth rates of Android, iOS and Chrome OS will follow. The only near monopoly that MS still has is the PC - and that they seem to be determined to destroy. BAD strategy in my book.
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    Every one take five. . .need to take a bathroom break and get another cold one. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Every one take five. . .need to take a bathroom break and get another cold one. . .
    You should be drinking red, better for you and you don't have to 'skip to the loo, my darling' (as the song goes), as often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Every one take five. . .need to take a bathroom break and get another cold one. . .
    You should be drinking red, better for you and you don't have to 'skip to the loo, my darling' (as the song goes), as often.
    Hi Ray,

    A cold one for me is a Diet Pepsi. . .diabetic
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