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  1. #191


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to sell your car.

    Probably has some software, lots of patented components, designers put work in, etc.

    Much better if you have to buy a new one every time and throw the old away.

    Second hand book and music stores should be banned , it would be impossible to get hold of this for example:

    Search - Peter Harrington Rare Books

    and so on ...........
    Good points, but obviously I don't have all the answers. I'm not the one that started the trends on how items are bought and sold within capitalistic societies, nor did I make the laws concerning such matters. We're speaking of software. Let's stick solely to that.

    One thing I will state and ask, though; There's taxes levied on buyers of items sold whether they be new or used. Why should only a government get a cut on used items? Why doesn't the original creator get compensation?

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  2. #192


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I am posting this from my self made little mint based distro. Fabulous. ( @whs Ubuntu 13.04 final beta is out - release expected 25th april )

    I am not interested in gaming from here.

    What is interesting is that attempts are now being made to get Linux into the games.



    It has to start somewhere.
    I know. I saw this Ubuntu announcement. But I am not going to change my distros right now. They work well and that is all I need.
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  3. #193


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post

    That really is quite a stupid statement. Considering that the hardware would be the same, which is usually the driving factor for high performance PC games, if Crysis 3 was designed to work with Ubuntu, Mint or whatever, would the experience be any worse?

    And when you shoot yourself in the foot, you don't just use a regular gun, you tend to pick nothing less than a chain gun: CryEngine 3 New Game is Coming to Linux | Linux Game News, CryEngine 3 Coming to Linux? ~ Ubuntu Vibes | Daily Ubuntu Linux Updates.

    BillWindows lives on every time you post.
    You're not even getting the point. Literally, there are very few games on Linux that can be played.
    Alienware’s latest gaming PC has Linux on it, plays “over 25 games” | Ars Technica
    If read the ACTUAL significant details about the Alienware box with Ubuntu, you see it can play about 25 games. TWENTY FIVE games, NINETY SEVEN if you're on Steam. Compare this to about 1,900 game titles on Windows, using Ubuntu is more cost and reward. You end up having to install Windows 7 or 8 to get that collection. If you ask any PC gamer if they would do Ubuntu over Windows, not many would. The idea would sound great, but in practice, it's not worth the while. It doesn't matter what the hardware is between a Ubuntu machine or a Windows PC, if you can't play more than 100 games, you might as well be content with a Wii U.

    I can tell YOU still live on in your posts......
    Sadly, you don't get the point. You give an example, which immediately shoots your foot off and then you rant about the current status quo. We are not talking about what is now, but what potentially is in future. On the one hand, you talk about the future of Windows, but deny the future of anything else. Basically, you're in denial.
    You're telling ME that I rant about the status quo? Really? What do you think YOU do?

    I could care less what is not the future about Windows as this isn't a forum for talking about Linux. If PC gaming were to happen on Linux, it would take at LEAST five years before the proper DirectX and OpenGL engines are on Linux, newer gaming engines, and elder gaming engines on Linux. I'm a PC gamer, I know PC gamers. You're obviously not one. You don't understand at all what you talk about, if you gave a PC gamer an Alienware machine with Ubuntu and said you can only play roughly 100 games, you'd get a lot of, "Thanks, but no thanks" responses. Roughly 100 games is how much the usual PC gamer has saved on their Steam library, let alone a couple dozen games already installed from Steam. Even if you told that PC gamer in about five or so years, MAYBE you will have more games to play on Ubuntu, same bloody response. Why do you think Windows is takes like five spots in Valve's Steam rankings on what platform is being used? That's where the games are at and built for. Even if you used Ubuntu, you'd need to use Wine or a VM or a dual boot for Windows, effectively defeating the point of saving about 200 dollars on said Alienware PC. That PC isn't a something being released in the future, it is being released at now, the present. I'm not ranting about what could be in the future if it's already here.

    You should really learn some facts before you post something saying that I, am ranting about the current status quo when the current status quo for PC gaming is Windows. You should realize when you're wrong and be ok with that versus trying to make ME out as wrong.
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  4. #194


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You're telling ME that I rant about the status quo? Really? What do you think YOU do?

    I could care less what is not the future about Windows as this isn't a forum for talking about Linux. If PC gaming were to happen on Linux, it would take at LEAST five years before the proper DirectX and OpenGL engines are on Linux, newer gaming engines, and elder gaming engines on Linux. I'm a PC gamer, I know PC gamers. You're obviously not one. You don't understand at all what you talk about, if you gave a PC gamer an Alienware machine with Ubuntu and said you can only play roughly 100 games, you'd get a lot of, "Thanks, but no thanks" responses. Roughly 100 games is how much the usual PC gamer has saved on their Steam library, let alone a couple dozen games already installed from Steam. Even if you told that PC gamer in about five or so years, MAYBE you will have more games to play on Ubuntu, same bloody response. Why do you think Windows is takes like five spots in Valve's Steam rankings on what platform is being used? That's where the games are at and built for. Even if you used Ubuntu, you'd need to use Wine or a VM or a dual boot for Windows, effectively defeating the point of saving about 200 dollars on said Alienware PC. That PC isn't a something being released in the future, it is being released at now, the present. I'm not ranting about what could be in the future if it's already here.

    You should really learn some facts before you post something saying that I, am ranting about the current status quo when the current status quo for PC gaming is Windows. You should realize when you're wrong and be ok with that versus trying to make ME out as wrong.
    This a forum about Windows 8 and it's status, future, challenges, shortfalls, risks, potential, competition etc. It is a forum open to discussion, debate, criticism and comparison to anything and everything applicable to Windows 8. It is not a forum dedicated to the adulation of Windows 8 or Microsoft. I am certain that Microsoft considers all of these things on a daily basis, so it's not out of place to do the same in this forum.

    Shouting is also an indication of someone losing the plot.
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  5. #195


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You're not even getting the point. Literally, there are very few games on Linux that can be played.
    Alienware’s latest gaming PC has Linux on it, plays “over 25 games” | Ars Technica
    If read the ACTUAL significant details about the Alienware box with Ubuntu, you see it can play about 25 games. TWENTY FIVE games, NINETY SEVEN if you're on Steam. Compare this to about 1,900 game titles on Windows, using Ubuntu is more cost and reward. You end up having to install Windows 7 or 8 to get that collection. If you ask any PC gamer if they would do Ubuntu over Windows, not many would. The idea would sound great, but in practice, it's not worth the while. It doesn't matter what the hardware is between a Ubuntu machine or a Windows PC, if you can't play more than 100 games, you might as well be content with a Wii U.

    I can tell YOU still live on in your posts......
    Sadly, you don't get the point. You give an example, which immediately shoots your foot off and then you rant about the current status quo. We are not talking about what is now, but what potentially is in future. On the one hand, you talk about the future of Windows, but deny the future of anything else. Basically, you're in denial.
    You're telling ME that I rant about the status quo? Really? What do you think YOU do?

    I could care less what is not the future about Windows as this isn't a forum for talking about Linux. If PC gaming were to happen on Linux, it would take at LEAST five years before the proper DirectX and OpenGL engines are on Linux, newer gaming engines, and elder gaming engines on Linux. I'm a PC gamer, I know PC gamers. You're obviously not one. You don't understand at all what you talk about, if you gave a PC gamer an Alienware machine with Ubuntu and said you can only play roughly 100 games, you'd get a lot of, "Thanks, but no thanks" responses. Roughly 100 games is how much the usual PC gamer has saved on their Steam library, let alone a couple dozen games already installed from Steam. Even if you told that PC gamer in about five or so years, MAYBE you will have more games to play on Ubuntu, same bloody response. Why do you think Windows is takes like five spots in Valve's Steam rankings on what platform is being used? That's where the games are at and built for. Even if you used Ubuntu, you'd need to use Wine or a VM or a dual boot for Windows, effectively defeating the point of saving about 200 dollars on said Alienware PC. That PC isn't a something being released in the future, it is being released at now, the present. I'm not ranting about what could be in the future if it's already here.

    You should really learn some facts before you post something saying that I, am ranting about the current status quo when the current status quo for PC gaming is Windows. You should realize when you're wrong and be ok with that versus trying to make ME out as wrong.
    And basically, its being built as Alienware's/Steam's way of trying to compete with the PS4 or XBOX720 for controller-based games, and doing away with the mouse/kb in the process. PC Games haven't been joystick/controller based for going on like 20 years now :>. And for good reason. The fidelity of control simply isn't there. Its why cross-platform MMO's(to consoles, the few there are out there) tend to segregate desktop PC players from the controller players. If they didn't, the controller players would simply get eaten alive from the ability of the desktop players to have macros and lots of buttons and macros at their command with a far better pointing device in the mouse.

    Likewise, your typical desktop PC player sees using a controller as 'quaint' and something like a Steambox a minor league way of getting into gaming. Real gamers tend to build their own machines with real top-flight overclocked processors(often with deluxe cooling systems), a real videocard the size of a brick, and a power supply mated to the level of video card... all of it being run in something like an Antec Tower case that was built to be expandable as new hardware and software inevitably arrives. And if you aren't pulling 60fps at ultra settings, you're bush league. And that isn't just for bragging rights, it makes an enormous difference in how well or how bad a game plays, depending on how far off you can see an enemy coming.. to your response time in dealing with them.

    This is how gamers tend to deal with Moore's Law and there is a cottage industry of components built around it. OEM PC's, even AlienWare, that screw with the standard form factors to make some sort of micro-design are anathema to PC gamers.
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  6. #196


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You're telling ME that I rant about the status quo? Really? What do you think YOU do?

    I could care less what is not the future about Windows as this isn't a forum for talking about Linux. If PC gaming were to happen on Linux, it would take at LEAST five years before the proper DirectX and OpenGL engines are on Linux, newer gaming engines, and elder gaming engines on Linux. I'm a PC gamer, I know PC gamers. You're obviously not one. You don't understand at all what you talk about, if you gave a PC gamer an Alienware machine with Ubuntu and said you can only play roughly 100 games, you'd get a lot of, "Thanks, but no thanks" responses. Roughly 100 games is how much the usual PC gamer has saved on their Steam library, let alone a couple dozen games already installed from Steam. Even if you told that PC gamer in about five or so years, MAYBE you will have more games to play on Ubuntu, same bloody response. Why do you think Windows is takes like five spots in Valve's Steam rankings on what platform is being used? That's where the games are at and built for. Even if you used Ubuntu, you'd need to use Wine or a VM or a dual boot for Windows, effectively defeating the point of saving about 200 dollars on said Alienware PC. That PC isn't a something being released in the future, it is being released at now, the present. I'm not ranting about what could be in the future if it's already here.

    You should really learn some facts before you post something saying that I, am ranting about the current status quo when the current status quo for PC gaming is Windows. You should realize when you're wrong and be ok with that versus trying to make ME out as wrong.
    This a forum about Windows 8 and it's status, future, challenges, shortfalls, risks, potential, competition etc. It is a forum open to discussion, debate, criticism and comparison to anything and everything applicable to Windows 8. It is not a forum dedicated to the adulation of Windows 8 or Microsoft. I am certain that Microsoft considers all of these things on a daily basis, so it's not out of place to do the same in this forum.

    Shouting is also an indication of someone losing the plot.
    How is that relevant and who is shouting?
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  7. #197


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How is that relevant and who is shouting?
    If you don't understand/comprehend, it's beyond my ken to educate you.
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