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  1. #91


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post

    The EU may get them on a monopoly charge. But that is a long shot. The Linux people would have to go after the PC manufacturers so that they ship PCs without Windows 8 or even with Linux. There are some Ubuntu PCs, but they are far and apart. I would prefer if they shipped them with Mint.
    Maybe, as the EU has been going against Microsoft on some things recently. But exactly correct, the Linux people need to be going after the PC makers as they're just complying with Windows' new standards from Microsoft, Microsoft isn't demanding that ALL of them HAVE to do this or else. It's more like they need to do this to keep up with new standards. If those makers don't like that, they can make and sell android or Ubuntu PCs.
    This story may clear up some issues about going after the PC makers.

    Spanish Linux user group files European antitrust complaint against Microsoft | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld

    Microsoft requires the UEFI Secure Boot to be installed by manufacturers on PCs that run Windows 8. While this protects PCs against malware and the installation of other unwanted software, it also makes it harder for users to install Linux-based operating systems on Windows 8 PCs. This practice is viewed as anticompetitive behavior by some critics, who have accused Microsoft of using the UEFI requirement to try to lock out other operating systems.
    This only effects OEM machines.. right? Where you have a pre-installed version of Windows? It makes sense on like.. the Surface Pro.. as its a specific Microsoft build.

    But what Linux user in their right mind would get caught dead buying a pre-built? If you're smart enough to use Linux, you should be smart enough to have built your own system lol. Its just like screws and making sure to plug the right cables into the right connectors(of which most are unique and hard to get wrong).

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  2. #92


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Maybe, as the EU has been going against Microsoft on some things recently. But exactly correct, the Linux people need to be going after the PC makers as they're just complying with Windows' new standards from Microsoft, Microsoft isn't demanding that ALL of them HAVE to do this or else. It's more like they need to do this to keep up with new standards. If those makers don't like that, they can make and sell android or Ubuntu PCs.
    This story may clear up some issues about going after the PC makers.

    Spanish Linux user group files European antitrust complaint against Microsoft | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld

    Microsoft requires the UEFI Secure Boot to be installed by manufacturers on PCs that run Windows 8. While this protects PCs against malware and the installation of other unwanted software, it also makes it harder for users to install Linux-based operating systems on Windows 8 PCs. This practice is viewed as anticompetitive behavior by some critics, who have accused Microsoft of using the UEFI requirement to try to lock out other operating systems.
    This only effects OEM machines.. right? Where you have a pre-installed version of Windows? It makes sense on like.. the Surface Pro.. as its a specific Microsoft build.

    But what Linux user in their right mind would get caught dead buying a pre-built? If you're smart enough to use Linux, you should be smart enough to have built your own system lol. Its just like screws and making sure to plug the right cables into the right connectors(of which most are unique and hard to get wrong).
    I would imagine this is for those mobile PCs like the Surface Pro and such to install Linux on. Or other OEM laptops that need to be bought as it's pretty difficult to build one yourself.

    But I have to ask, what makes installing Linux that difficult? Can't it be installed once Secure Boot and other Windows 8 UEFI BIOS requirements are shut off? Seriously, it was difficult to get Windows 8 reinstalled on a new Windows PC, but didn't strike me as such that Linux wouldn't be able to run with that. Disable those requirements, you're back to standard BIOS usually.
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  3. #93


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    But I have to ask, what makes installing Linux that difficult? Can't it be installed once Secure Boot and other Windows 8 UEFI BIOS requirements are shut off? Seriously, it was difficult to get Windows 8 reinstalled on a new Windows PC, but didn't strike me as such that Linux wouldn't be able to run with that. Disable those requirements, you're back to standard BIOS usually.
    There has already been one OEM that the way of turning off secure boot very hard, no info on how to do it.
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  4. #94


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    But what Linux user in their right mind would get caught dead buying a pre-built? If you're smart enough to use Linux, you should be smart enough to have built your own system lol. Its just like screws and making sure to plug the right cables into the right connectors(of which most are unique and hard to get wrong).
    Did you ever build a laptop,
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  5. #95


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    One thing the GIMP doesn't do (or used not to do) was handle LAYERS at all. I'm always using this feature in photoshop so I'd really miss this.
    That must have been a long time ago.
    Every version I've used handles layers.

    And GIMP flies fast!

    I usually use tens of layers and all works in GIMP.
    For example all cursors and animations I made here,
    Custom Cursors
    are made in GIMP with many layers (20-30) before finalizing the product.

    What Photoshop lacks is the ability to generate patterns (built in + automatic) and stuff like logo's...
    Click image for larger version
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  6. #96


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post


    And GIMP flies fast!
    The earlier versions that I used, loaded slowly (still much faster than Photoshop though).
    Loading the fonts seemed to "bog them down".

    The last couple of versions only take ~5 seconds - 10 seconds to load (on my PC).
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  7. #97


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    Vista and Win7


    Hmm, I just checked that. My Gimp loaded in less than 2 seconds. And I have not used it since a while. So it could not have been sitting in the cache.
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  8. #98


    M$ is not hearing it customers I also see that enterprise customers are switching to Linux.

    Big business buys into big Linux | ZDNet
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  9. #99


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    SSD?


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Hmm, I just checked that. My Gimp loaded in less than 2 seconds. And I have not used it since a while. So it could not have been sitting in the cache.
    I assume that is from an SSD?
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  10. #100


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Hmm, I just checked that. My Gimp loaded in less than 2 seconds. And I have not used it since a while. So it could not have been sitting in the cache.
    I assume that is from an SSD?
    It sometimes gets faster than expected and sometimes way slower.

    I remember since Vista and on 7, Win8 too that it can say 'not responding' during the font loading or script-fu parts but actually the program runs fine.
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