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  1. #11


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    I don't have any experience with Windows embedded. Don't you create a custom install (image) based on the hardware?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I don't have any experience with Windows embedded. Don't you create a custom install (image) based on the hardware?
    You can, but you have the option to install a full Windows shell regardless. That's usually how POS terminals are done, they have the full Windows install generally, with a specific app that starts up, or usually as you say, customized and cooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
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    Stuff you would never use or need is striped out?
    Doubt it, as EVERYTHING, I mean EVERYTHING is in a full install of Windows Embedded. It's weird, every bit of the Desktop features and UI are there, as well as advanced boot options I believe. Nothing is stripped.

    What does the Desktop Features and UI have to do with anything?They more than likely stripped a lot of stuff needed for backwards compatibility to off-color systems and older legacy code and what not. As long as they know they're only going to one specific platform and don't have to have support in there for all of them, there is a lot of stuff they can drop.
    Hi there

    the TARGET devices are usually dedicated single application devices for example Point of sale stuff -- however you need the WHOLE of the OS on your development platform to CREATE the parts of Windows CE you need for your hardware.

    Some of the hardware companies will be making more than ONE type of device .

    Obviously you probably wouldn't need to install the whole development UI on the end device of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post

    Stuff you would never use or need is striped out?
    Doubt it, as EVERYTHING, I mean EVERYTHING is in a full install of Windows Embedded. It's weird, every bit of the Desktop features and UI are there, as well as advanced boot options I believe. Nothing is stripped.
    What does the Desktop Features and UI have to do with anything?They more than likely stripped a lot of stuff needed for backwards compatibility to off-color systems and older legacy code and what not. As long as they know they're only going to one specific platform and don't have to have support in there for all of them, there is a lot of stuff they can drop.
    No, they really don't. LITERALLY EVERYTHING is in a full install of Windows Embedded, and it takes roughly 4 gigs. There isn't ANYTHING really stripped out. If you were to use for example, Windows 7 and Windows 7 Embedded Standard that has a full install done, you really will not be able to tell the difference between the two unless if you go in winver to show the OS differences.

    Windows Embedded has the option of doing a full install of Windows, along with tweaked install options. One I think is just purely meant for things like POS terminals such as a Redbox kiosk (or kiosks in general) where the Windows core boots up, then it boots the kiosk application. That's obviously a REALLY small footprint, but that's an option that can be done.

    I've seen self checkout POS terminals run a full install of Windows xp Embedded, the checkout app starts up within Windows, runs the self check of the system components, then boots the app's UI.
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    Hi there
    That's also true if the hardware wants to do it - but it isn't always necessary -- for example a smart TV would only need a small part of Windows CE to tune the channel(s), browse the internet, select input source, and possibly read external storage devices and play multi-media from them and of course read from the remote controller.

    With a point of sale terminal hardware checking might be desirable on startup -- you don't want invalid financial data being transmitted to the remote back end system. It's still up to the designer of the equipment on how to implement the OS and what features to enable.

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    You can include almost anything in an Embedded Windows, or leave out all but certain core components.

    A full install can install EVERYTHING, but the OS build could just be a text based console without a GUI, for example, the processing power behind a voice operated security clearance gate. Speak into a microphone, present a fingerprint, or enter a PIN and the gate lets you through, and logs you into the place, and out again when you exit, recording the data on a server somewhere.

    An embedded system could present as a thin client on a low spec workstation running server-side applications, a set top box or a home theatre system, an information kiosk, not only a fixed device, but for instance a portable guide on a small tablet device in a museum capable of presenting further data about an exhibit, even packaging a cloud-based review of that particular museum visit for later study. POS systems linked to Warehouse JIT Stock controllers have already been mentioned.

    Your automobile computer, GPS and in-car entertainment could also be running Windows Embedded, not only keeping the engine running efficiently, and in the right direction, but simultaneously providing music for the driver and a computer game or movie for the young passengers in the back.

    Things like media center are just componentized parts of the Windows Embedded suite which uses the same codebase as the retail Windows 8, but you could just use Windows 8 RT components for a particular device.

    Windows 7 Embedded Standard trial was certainly worth playing with, since you could build systems more-or-less indistinguishable from the Retail Windows 7 Ultimate OS with 90 days lifetime (or longer with education licenses), which could be extended if needed, but all the Windows 8 Embedded trials I have seen so far, timebomb your OS builds after 30 days, which doesn't seem worth the effort of building them.
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    I'll check it out

    Thanks Shawn !
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    I'll check it out

    Thanks Shawn !

    ~Sorry double post~
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    You can include almost anything in an Embedded Windows, or leave out all but certain core components.

    A full install can install EVERYTHING, but the OS build could just be a text based console without a GUI, for example, the processing power behind a voice operated security clearance gate. Speak into a microphone, present a fingerprint, or enter a PIN and the gate lets you through, and logs you into the place, and out again when you exit, recording the data on a server somewhere.

    An embedded system could present as a thin client on a low spec workstation running server-side applications, a set top box or a home theatre system, an information kiosk, not only a fixed device, but for instance a portable guide on a small tablet device in a museum capable of presenting further data about an exhibit, even packaging a cloud-based review of that particular museum visit for later study. POS systems linked to Warehouse JIT Stock controllers have already been mentioned.

    Your automobile computer, GPS and in-car entertainment could also be running Windows Embedded, not only keeping the engine running efficiently, and in the right direction, but simultaneously providing music for the driver and a computer game or movie for the young passengers in the back.

    Things like media center are just componentized parts of the Windows Embedded suite which uses the same codebase as the retail Windows 8, but you could just use Windows 8 RT components for a particular device.

    Windows 7 Embedded Standard trial was certainly worth playing with, since you could build systems more-or-less indistinguishable from the Retail Windows 7 Ultimate OS with 90 days lifetime (or longer with education licenses), which could be extended if needed, but all the Windows 8 Embedded trials I have seen so far, timebomb your OS builds after 30 days, which doesn't seem worth the effort of building them.
    This here, yep!

    Although I'm really interested in seeing some Windows 8 Embedded car audio systems, that would cool! I recently had a crazy idea of possibly using Windows 8 with a low powered Atom processor JUST to run a music setup with an amplifier system.... That was a tad overkill, but the cool part was a periscope that used a smartphone camera, so when you're in traffic and all of a sudden it stops and you're like, "What in the blue hell is this?! Utah?!" Pop open the digital periscope, you can see what's up, quite literally. Although Windows RT could possibly work as well.... with a power antenna....
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    Yeah, like the idea of dashboard cameras taken to another level! Why not put your cam onto a micro helicopter and you could use a Windows Phone interface with an app to control your aerial spycam from your gridlocked vehicle? Not only could you amuse yourself, but you could get scoop footage from the accident at the cause of the snarl-up, and send it direct to your local TV station if newsworthy. Endless possibilities present themselves!
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