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  1. #71


    Posts : 740
    Windows 8.1


    Last I checked Vista NEEDED a service pack 2.


    that being said, there is a patch rollup out that could be considered a proto-service pack.

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  2. #72


    Portsmouth Hants
    Posts : 772
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Reimagining a Service Pack as a Free Upgrade is a fiendishly clever way of expanding your OS user base, especially if all extra functionality is via cloud-based, mostly paid-for Apps, or leased applications like Office 365 to guarantee revenue. It abolishes the stigma of having an unfinished OS product launch, where the final beta testing is done by paying punters. At the same time, most OEM new equipment comes preloaded with the cut-down OS requiring a paid-for upgrade to the fully featured version. Brilliant strategy, even if the product is not what you really want.
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  3. #73


    Posts : 738
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Vista initially needed SP1 since there were a few bugs like not reporting the total amount of actual memory installed on a 32bit system as well as the problem of installing the 64bit with more then 2gb of memory installed. Often you had to remove all but 2gb to get the 64bit install to go on good and then put the rest back in! None of that was ever run into once 7 was out since I only ran the 32bit Vista and noticed the difference following the SP1 install when upping the ram from 2-4gb on the last build.

    For 9 one thing that would be real good would be getting past the 1.5tb barrier both 7 and 8 seem to have while 8 is coming on larger drives still seeing a recovery partition not the full 2tb however being use for the C primary.
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  4. #74


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Reimagining a Service Pack has a Free Upgrade is a fiendishly clever way of expanding your OS user base, especially if all extra functionality is via cloud-based, mostly paid-for Apps, or leased applications like Office 365 to guarantee revenue. It abolishes the stigma of having an unfinished OS product launch, where the final beta testing is done by paying punters. At the same time, most OEM new equipment comes preloaded with the cut-down OS requiring a paid-for upgrade to the fully featured version. Brilliant strategy, even if the product is not what you really want.
    This is the way Apple as been doing the OS X series for over ten years now, and when they jump OS X levels (OS X 10.6 to OS X 10.7) they charge a fee. Now this fee used to be around $130.00, but in the last three OS X changes they have lowered that price to $29.95. Also Apple puts out a new roll out approximately every two years. Now let see what Microsoft does especially with the cost factor.
    Last edited by Lee; 23 Mar 2013 at 13:49.
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  5. #75


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Reimagining a Service Pack as a Free Upgrade is a fiendishly clever way of expanding your OS user base, especially if all extra functionality is via cloud-based, mostly paid-for Apps, or leased applications like Office 365 to guarantee revenue. It abolishes the stigma of having an unfinished OS product launch, where the final beta testing is done by paying punters. At the same time, most OEM new equipment comes preloaded with the cut-down OS requiring a paid-for upgrade to the fully featured version. Brilliant strategy, even if the product is not what you really want.
    Hi there
    It's called that absolutely hideous word "Monetisation" -- I.e Extract as much dosh from the customers without them realising it.

    I'm beginning to get ready for running Linux again and extend the life of old windows OS'es via using VM's. I can use Linux for say the Internet and video (films etc) , and use PHOTOSHOP and OFFICE on a Windows Virtual machine which won't need any security updates after end of life. There's plenty of Linux "Geeks" out there to ensure drivers etc are maintained etc.

    If Windows DO go a subscription route --then apart from say business users then IMO it's the beginning of the end and their stupid "monetisation" will blow back in their faces.

    Installing VMWARE PLayer in openSUSE 12.1 (Works BTW so I'm all set if and when !!!!!).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #76


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Reimagining a Service Pack as a Free Upgrade is a fiendishly clever way of expanding your OS user base, especially if all extra functionality is via cloud-based, mostly paid-for Apps, or leased applications like Office 365 to guarantee revenue. It abolishes the stigma of having an unfinished OS product launch, where the final beta testing is done by paying punters. At the same time, most OEM new equipment comes preloaded with the cut-down OS requiring a paid-for upgrade to the fully featured version. Brilliant strategy, even if the product is not what you really want.
    Hi there
    It's called that absolutely hideous word "Monetisation" -- I.e Extract as much dosh from the customers without them realising it.

    I'm beginning to get ready for running Linux again and extend the life of old windows OS'es via using VM's. I can use Linux for say the Internet and video (films etc) , and use PHOTOSHOP and OFFICE on a Windows Virtual machine which won't need any security updates after end of life. There's plenty of Linux "Geeks" out there to ensure drivers etc are maintained etc.

    If Windows DO go a subscription route --then apart from say business users then IMO it's the beginning of the end and their stupid "monetisation" will blow back in their faces.

    Installing VMWARE PLayer in openSUSE 12.1 (Works BTW so I'm all set if and when !!!!!).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Personally, what I find more disconcerting is the cost of mobile phones. I really don't think the cloud OS thing is going to come to pass anytime soon(at least not until connection speeds get *a lot* faster.. like fiber fast), and if it does it'll be part of some niche service that takes advantage of it. PC's aren't going to suddenly be getting their OS from the cloud next week. The jacked up price of smartphones and mobile bandwidth, however, is here and now :<.
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  7. #77


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Reimagining a Service Pack as a Free Upgrade is a fiendishly clever way of expanding your OS user base, especially if all extra functionality is via cloud-based, mostly paid-for Apps, or leased applications like Office 365 to guarantee revenue. It abolishes the stigma of having an unfinished OS product launch, where the final beta testing is done by paying punters. At the same time, most OEM new equipment comes preloaded with the cut-down OS requiring a paid-for upgrade to the fully featured version. Brilliant strategy, even if the product is not what you really want.
    Hi there
    It's called that absolutely hideous word "Monetisation" -- I.e Extract as much dosh from the customers without them realising it.

    I'm beginning to get ready for running Linux again and extend the life of old windows OS'es via using VM's. I can use Linux for say the Internet and video (films etc) , and use PHOTOSHOP and OFFICE on a Windows Virtual machine which won't need any security updates after end of life. There's plenty of Linux "Geeks" out there to ensure drivers etc are maintained etc.

    If Windows DO go a subscription route --then apart from say business users then IMO it's the beginning of the end and their stupid "monetisation" will blow back in their faces.

    Installing VMWARE PLayer in openSUSE 12.1 (Works BTW so I'm all set if and when !!!!!).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Personally, what I find more disconcerting is the cost of mobile phones. I really don't think the cloud OS thing is going to come to pass anytime soon(at least not until connection speeds get *a lot* faster.. like fiber fast), and if it does it'll be part of some niche service that takes advantage of it. PC's aren't going to suddenly be getting their OS from the cloud next week. The jacked up price of smartphones and mobile bandwidth, however, is here and now :<.
    That's what amuses me about people, they'll readily hand over $800 for a smartphone, but not for a tablet with a full computer OS on it. Maybe the subscription model IS the way to go.
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  8. #78


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Reimagining a Service Pack as a Free Upgrade is a fiendishly clever way of expanding your OS user base, especially if all extra functionality is via cloud-based, mostly paid-for Apps, or leased applications like Office 365 to guarantee revenue. It abolishes the stigma of having an unfinished OS product launch, where the final beta testing is done by paying punters. At the same time, most OEM new equipment comes preloaded with the cut-down OS requiring a paid-for upgrade to the fully featured version. Brilliant strategy, even if the product is not what you really want.
    Hi there
    It's called that absolutely hideous word "Monetisation" -- I.e Extract as much dosh from the customers without them realising it.

    I'm beginning to get ready for running Linux again and extend the life of old windows OS'es via using VM's. I can use Linux for say the Internet and video (films etc) , and use PHOTOSHOP and OFFICE on a Windows Virtual machine which won't need any security updates after end of life. There's plenty of Linux "Geeks" out there to ensure drivers etc are maintained etc.

    If Windows DO go a subscription route --then apart from say business users then IMO it's the beginning of the end and their stupid "monetisation" will blow back in their faces.

    Installing VMWARE PLayer in openSUSE 12.1 (Works BTW so I'm all set if and when !!!!!).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Personally, what I find more disconcerting is the cost of mobile phones. I really don't think the cloud OS thing is going to come to pass anytime soon(at least not until connection speeds get *a lot* faster.. like fiber fast), and if it does it'll be part of some niche service that takes advantage of it. PC's aren't going to suddenly be getting their OS from the cloud next week. The jacked up price of smartphones and mobile bandwidth, however, is here and now :<.

    Hi there
    I'm often amazed how many people from the US have complaints with their mobile phone systems -- in Europe with almost universal availability of the new blindingly fast 4G systems - speed of connection etc isn't an issue any more. Public Wi-Fi systems are also gradually being updated as fibre optic cable is laid - at least in urban areas, and the quality of Wi-Fi cards is now much better too -- gigabit transfer is theoretically possible with wireless once the routers get updated.

    If you don't need the latest and greatest smart phone - mobiles aren't hideously expensive and you don't have to take a contract out either --at least here you don't. - "Pay as you Go" type SIMS are available and for a lot of people this is far better than a contract especially as decent Wi-Fi is universally available so people don't need the Mobile data connections to use the Internet etc.

    (Used / reconditioned smart phones are also fine -- I just got a decent reconditioned unlocked HTC phone for 50 EUR for a friend --OK It runs Android 2.1 rather than 4.1/4.2 but the screen is clear and the Internet is fine. Friend was really pleased with it).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #79


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Hi there
    It's called that absolutely hideous word "Monetisation" -- I.e Extract as much dosh from the customers without them realising it.

    I'm beginning to get ready for running Linux again and extend the life of old windows OS'es via using VM's. I can use Linux for say the Internet and video (films etc) , and use PHOTOSHOP and OFFICE on a Windows Virtual machine which won't need any security updates after end of life. There's plenty of Linux "Geeks" out there to ensure drivers etc are maintained etc.

    If Windows DO go a subscription route --then apart from say business users then IMO it's the beginning of the end and their stupid "monetisation" will blow back in their faces.

    Installing VMWARE PLayer in openSUSE 12.1 (Works BTW so I'm all set if and when !!!!!).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Personally, what I find more disconcerting is the cost of mobile phones. I really don't think the cloud OS thing is going to come to pass anytime soon(at least not until connection speeds get *a lot* faster.. like fiber fast), and if it does it'll be part of some niche service that takes advantage of it. PC's aren't going to suddenly be getting their OS from the cloud next week. The jacked up price of smartphones and mobile bandwidth, however, is here and now :<.

    Hi there
    I'm often amazed how many people from the US have complaints with their mobile phone systems -- in Europe with almost universal availability of the new blindingly fast 4G systems - speed of connection etc isn't an issue any more. Public Wi-Fi systems are also gradually being updated as fibre optic cable is laid - at least in urban areas, and the quality of Wi-Fi cards is now much better too -- gigabit transfer is theoretically possible with wireless once the routers get updated.

    If you don't need the latest and greatest smart phone - mobiles aren't hideously expensive and you don't have to take a contract out either --at least here you don't. - "Pay as you Go" type SIMS are available and for a lot of people this is far better than a contract especially as decent Wi-Fi is universally available so people don't need the Mobile data connections to use the Internet etc.

    (Used / reconditioned smart phones are also fine -- I just got a decent reconditioned unlocked HTC phone for 50 EUR for a friend --OK It runs Android 2.1 rather than 4.1/4.2 but the screen is clear and the Internet is fine. Friend was really pleased with it).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    The core problem with the US as opposed to Europe is population density and sheer land area. Europe's population is far more dense and with a lot more people in a smaller physical area(and usually centered around the cities), it makes laying wire a lot less expensive. Same thing with Asia, where wiring one building can hook up thousands of customers.

    Most of the US outside of the major cities is very spread out and mostly consists of suburbs where people live in houses on a block grid. The amount of wire you have drop into the ground to reach the same number of customers is enormous. Then when you get out to the more rural areas, its even more spread out.

    As a result, we're probably more likely to have mobile ultra-broadband, before Fiber is laid enmasse. Until then, it'll simply be a city here and a city there.
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  10. #80


    Posts : 738
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    FIOS, WiFi(still requiring a hard wired connection somewhere no less), and then there's always satellite connections! With satellite however they charge you for every page you visit! That's like getting a cell phone and paying for extra minutes as soon as you reach a set number like 250min. a month unless with some plans 1,000 or unlimited for a flat rate.

    Any OS with a web browser can get you around the web. Even with an old Legacy version you can get running you can browse but! The much newer versions for most browsers are still going to be needed to login on many sites. So you end up back at Squate #1 needing that newer version or release of something.
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