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  1. #31


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I'd love to see a more modernization of Windows through and through. More MinWin, more RICH metro design (parts of Windows 8 makes me think of modernist design over metro design, two separate but similar designs) and better app management. That, along with more apps being brought over from Desktop counterparts that are through and through a whole functional app. I don't care to see a lite version of Excel or Word or anything like that. Do it like VLC Player developers are doing, make a full WinRT app of the whole Desktop version.

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  2. #32


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I would assume it would be for both RT and x86. Why wouldn't it be?
    Al lot of what Microsoft can do is remove legacy code and port more of the OS to the Modern UI environment. Which only really works on RT devices.
    What most people really don't understand is that Apps are not meant to be Applications. They're basically there to provide services. Here, I will do something for you. They have very severe limitations.

    The first is that while the Walled Garden is great for security, it means that everything you want an App to do, must be performed out of the App. Apps have a very hard time intercommunicating like Applications without simply saving everything so it can be reopened somewhere else.

    The second is that they're designed to only be running when you see them. How do you pause an App? Shift it to the background, it does it automatically(my understanding is it does this to optimize battery usage on mobile devices by auto-suspending that which you aren't currently using). This makes certain things like having it do intense calculations in the background while you shift to another app, not feasible. But then, thats not what its designed for.

    The layman seems to think that everything can be made an app.. and really.. thats not true at all. For certain things, you really need the full-blown application, if it can't be reformated to fit the requirements of the app environment. In short, Apps are great if what you do has a lot of short-bursts of unnoticeable calculation, and spends most of its time waiting on input so that getting shifted to the background is seemless.
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  3. #33


    #32 Thanks chrisa for easy explanation of how apps work/ don't work.
    When I furst got 8 I changed the metro IE to always open on desktop. A few days later I read about metro IE being safer for banking, online shopping etc. so I changed it back. Also read how to control it without confusion.
    So I feel that having 2 versions of IE is a definite plus.
    Thanks again for explaining why it is safer. (no malware)
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  4. #34


    Posts : 740
    Windows 8.1


    Sure, if you don't want desktop apps.
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  5. #35


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    It could be true, ...


    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Thanks again for explaining why it is safer. (no malware)
    It could be true, If MS do all of the testing necessary to eliminate the possibility of backdoors and other malware functions.

    Testing costs money and therefore eats away at profits.
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  6. #36


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Thanks again for explaining why it is safer. (no malware)
    It could be true, If MS do all of the testing necessary to eliminate the possibility of backdoors and other malware functions.

    Testing costs money and therefore eats away at profits.
    Thats funny.. as security experts regard OS X as one of the weakest systems for bugs and exploits on the market today, and Windows 8 as one of the strongest.
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  7. #37


    Posts : 738
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I'd love to see a more modernization of Windows through and through. More MinWin, more RICH metro design (parts of Windows 8 makes me think of modernist design over metro design, two separate but similar designs) and better app management. That, along with more apps being brought over from Desktop counterparts that are through and through a whole functional app. I don't care to see a lite version of Excel or Word or anything like that. Do it like VLC Player developers are doing, make a full WinRT app of the whole Desktop version.
    Modernization as far as seeing an updated desktop gui would be the direction MS needs to work in. 8 was a quick slap in the face with the RT gui designed specifically for the tablet platform. These are two totally different areas to begin with. The ModernMix while being a 3rd party app shows a good example of how the Metro apps fail as far as the desktop platform is concern not allowing a "windowed" option to anything. Afterall the OS wasn't named "Windows" for no reason at all!

    Now take a pic of the 3.1 desktop and slap a task bar on it along with ModernMix and that's roughly what the 8 desktop looks like disregarding the improvements of everything else to get the basic idea of what 8 is missing when having stripped so much out! Ignoring the 3.1 File menu button which dropped down the "Exit" option to return to Dos you would only have what is pinned to the tack bar in plain view. Where is everything?

    Well the popup for the Start screen is not seen until you... The Crawler tool bar is where now? The hidden right click menu is an unknown for everyone at first sight. And then how the hect do you exit Windows without any power options button at least like you would see on a Linux distro found. Well you can "bring up the Start screen and right click on the profile pic" or "you can find the Crawler tool bar if you just happen to move the cursor over the right spot on one side..." blah blah blah awkward!

    If you are going to make a major change to the desktop OS you first need to remain on the desktop platform to come up with a new desktop gui that is functional considering the point and click factor while still developing something with touch and swipe capability not simply slap tablet touch on desktop and call it a day! You want the changes adaptable for everyone not just a few OS geeks who like new things regardless of setting back the average newbie!
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  8. #38


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    It must say something when things like this pop up in the interwebs:

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  9. #39


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    OS X?


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Thats funny.. as security experts regard OS X as one of the weakest systems for bugs and exploits on the market today, and Windows 8 as one of the strongest.
    Who said anything about OS X?
    I was specifically referring to the "Windows App Store".

    Maybe you should have said iTunes.
    https://secunia.com/vulnerability-review/

    Even if what you posted is true, that doesn't invalidate, "Testing costs money and therefore eats away at profits."

    It just means that Apple have less justification for vulnerabilities, than MS.
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  10. #40


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    It is funny how I started this thread to be about the up and coming Win 9 in 2014, and now it has turned into "you either love win 8, or totally hate win 8."

    I was hoping for some thoughtful and insightful ideas as to what we just might see in Win 9 in two years time. . .silly me. . .
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