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The Non-Touch Windows 8 Offers a Worse Experience than Win

  1. #11


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    Thanks Jimbo for the well thought out post. I just wish that I still had the ability to write a response like yours. Age, strokes and diabetes have done a number on my brain. Your response was very thoughtful and to the point, albeit you and I know that there are going to be those who just don't want, or will not try to put two and two together when it come to Windows 8.
    Last edited by Lee; 16 Mar 2013 at 22:14.

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  2. #12


    I really enjoy multi-touch touch pad. I can sweep, pinch, scroll, swipe from edge to access charm bar without leaving keyboard and keep my screen shines.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Thanks Jimbo for the well thought out post. I just wish that I still had the ability to write a response like yours. Age, strokes and diabetes have done a number on my brain. Your response was very thoughtful and to the point, albeit you and I know that there are going to be those who just don't want, or will not try to put two and two together when it come t Windows 8.

    Thanks

    Appreciate that someone reads the post rather than just chucking Vitriol around without even attempting to check to see if they really CAN use W8 decently. Of course we all hope there will be changes - but I don't think that's the real point - changes inevitably happen --I can really say now that I don't miss the Menu at all and even when I'm using W7 I don't bother with it either.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    I doubt many even would want to have retina identification other then to log in with on their pcs. Finger print scanning would be another option for an extra device attached at the additional expense as well. Many however immediately wanted to downgrade to 7 once rushing at 8 when first out before having sampled the CP or RP builds! I've seen enough laptop users without 7 recovery media frustrated at 8 and looking for a way to get 7 back on again showing the reactions in Real World time by the uninformed to begin with!

    As far as the touchscreen part of all this the author calls it correct when naming the article. MS didn't bother developing a new touchscreen capable gui for the desktop to begin with! Yet they call 8 a major release? No way! They short changed the desktop in favor of the new Tablets they have out with RT running on them and borrowed the RT gui instead. That''s what you would call "Cutting Corners to Make Ends Meet"(an even better 8 blog title) while the only actual new work is hidden in the core level.

    I think most that end up running 8 will likely be waiting for the next to come along hoping that will be back to a somewhat normal desktop OS rather then a cheap ripoff of the RT in seeing some actual progress at the desktop level. The fact that so many blogs about 8 reflect the Cons not any Pros goes to show MS has provided the ammo to begin with for the media to mop them up with!
    Hi there
    @Nighthawk
    I wasn't talking about RETINA RECOGNITION -- that's totally another topic - and it has its own dangers as Hollywood has amply shown that this can be overcome by removing the eyeball of the person who has access to whatever it is you want to access --Grusome thought - but it's already starting to happen with Biometrics such as finger tips being cut off etc.

    I was talking about how you could use eye MOVEMENT in some form or other to replace simple touch operations like SWIPE. The technology is pretty primitive at the moment but it will improve as well as the users ability to control it.

    I'm actually quite excited about this whole area. OK it might take a few years to get this into a form, where people are comfortable with it but even today if I had that simple form of technology available on my computer I'd love to experiment with it.

    Simple things like say when you leave the room and want to switch off - a wink or whatever could automate the shutdown process etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    I have Windows 8 on two laptops with touchscreen, and have no problems using them with the touchscreen, or only with mouse and keyboard. I work from the desktop, with Win 7 meny, or from Metro. Whatever works best. Using touchsrcreen as much as possible with the left hand, mouse with right hand and keyboard shortcuts with left hand, I can work much faster than in Win 7, and for my needs I can do everything I need and want to do in 8. When people find out what you can do with Win 8 and touchscreen, Apple might be in trouble.
    Of course, there are things that could, and should, be better. Lets hope the usual service packs will take care of that.
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    PLEASE can some desktop user just explain to me how W8 causes loss of productivity -- There are of course some things wrong with W8 but I fail in any shape or form to see how it causes you to be less productive than in using W7.
    Not using a desktop but a non touch screen laptop (Asus G75). Maybe it's just me or my laptop or the phase of the moon, I don't know. But like that hilarious animation illustrated, every now and then, often enough to be aggravating, that gremlin pops up and farts in my face. I'm talking several times a day, not once a week. I'll be typing away and brush the touchpad or something and a date/time window pops up, the charm bar may rear its ugly head, a window might pop up showing all the apps I have open or I'll be thrown entirely back in Metro/Modern at the screen that shows all installed applications. And this is when using the W8 desktop. Sure, not the end of the world but really aggravating and distracting enough to cause a loss of concentration and by association, productivity. Just my 2 cents; that and $2.51 more will get you a Starbucks venti.

    -jeff
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  7. #17


    jimbo #10 and his other enlightening posts.

    Nice to read posts which don't bash 8 continuously. Even when you think MS could've should've done something different, you still mention the good features & improvements available today from MS.
    50 years ago, this lifestyle was still in museums, comic books & sci-fi movies. And still, so many squawk about the start button.
    I'm not a tech person nor will I ever be one. I like computers as a hobby as well as office docs. I join groups like this to learn. I don't always understand everything but, I do catch the general gist of topics, some terminology, some hardware ...
    Topics like 'Eye Recognition' & 'Retina Recognition'. Until jimbo #14 — I only knew about logging in with eye (retina) and had no idea a computer can be controlled with eye blinks. That is awesome!

    I learn more from these short & positive information posts than ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    jimbo #10 and his other enlightening posts.

    Nice to read posts which don't bash 8 continuously. Even when you think MS could've should've done something different, you still mention the good features & improvements available today from MS.
    50 years ago, this lifestyle was still in museums, comic books & sci-fi movies. And still, so many squawk about the start button.
    I'm not a tech person nor will I ever be one. I like computers as a hobby as well as office docs. I join groups like this to learn. I don't always understand everything but, I do catch the general gist of topics, some terminology, some hardware ...
    Topics like 'Eye Recognition' & 'Retina Recognition'. Until jimbo #14 — I only knew about logging in with eye (retina) and had no idea a computer can be controlled with eye blinks. That is awesome!

    I learn more from these short & positive information posts than ...
    At least you're willing to learn which is more than I can say for a lot of people coming to this forum. I actually feel a bit embarrassed listening to all the rubbish being talked about with Windows 8, there's only a couple of steps and you can nearly avoid it altogether.

    The talk about the Start Menu is nauseating to me as I never liked or very rarely used it from day one, why people would want to go through a cascading menu is beyond me, I always found it frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munin View Post
    I have Windows 8 on two laptops with touchscreen, and have no problems using them with the touchscreen, or only with mouse and keyboard. I work from the desktop, with Win 7 meny, or from Metro. Whatever works best. Using touchsrcreen as much as possible with the left hand, mouse with right hand and keyboard shortcuts with left hand, I can work much faster than in Win 7, and for my needs I can do everything I need and want to do in 8. When people find out what you can do with Win 8 and touchscreen, Apple might be in trouble.
    Of course, there are things that could, and should, be better. Lets hope the usual service packs will take care of that.
    I'm the same as you, I can work a lot faster in Windows 8 and I don't even have a touchscreen.
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    As far as the touchscreen part of all this the author calls it correct when naming the article. MS didn't bother developing a new touchscreen capable gui for the desktop to begin with!
    Uh... not sure if you're just trying to be funny or not(probably are). But yes, they did. Just plug in a touchscreen monitor :P.
    It's simple fact! They took the RT tablet gui designed specifically for tablet and slapped it on 8 and simply because you can use a touchscreen monitor or click the oversized buttons won't make it an actual desktop gui but a shortcut for MS not to even spend any effort in that direction. Their main focus has been on Surface and RT to begin with taking a fast shortcut to put out something for OEMs to dump on new pcs.

    You simply end up with an updated 7 core with the RT tablet gui slapped on fast as a cheap OS now that they have also stripped things out of the Windows OS to consider as well. People wanted a cheaper OS and they got it at a cost however!

    While certain things at the core level were improved upon features were stripped out that had been incldued in previous versions now being charged for separately as well as making WMP useless wit the thinking there are too many media and dvd players out there so why have it included in Windows? "We'll cut some more corners!" Sound familiar?

    The new Start screen and subbing for the Start orb or button are nothing while the Metro in your face to open each new program or a second IE window for example was hindsight as far as the desktop is concerned. On a tablet you only have one thing going at a time while on a desktop 8 is royal headache for any actual multitasker as far as productivity.

    The Control Panel and other settings hidden in not known about tool bars and hidden right click menus only if you happen to right click in just the right spot notice also make it clumsy to work with. For the majority of users they are lost at first sight and then end up looking for a way back to 7 or Vista! For those of us who first saw the DP, CP, RP builds we either like it or hate it already having the first hand experience however. For some workarounds will help get through until the next MS success or flop shows up.
    Ummmmmmmmmmmm......... No, they didn't Mr. Factoid.

    They took Windows and developed it for ARM processors, that's RT. Windows 8 itself was developed for a new world for new PCs for new interaction/input methods.

    And just oh my crap already, who cares if they're hidden! You find it once and you remember it forever unless you're a gold fish!

    It's time to get over it.
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