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    There is an installed base of PC's that far exceeds that of even tablets
    Yes, one would think MS would try and get them on side. I expect MS will have learned form the current situation, and they will try - maybe blue has something to help with that.

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  2. #52


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    There is an installed base of PC's that far exceeds that of even tablets
    Yes, one would think MS would try and get them on side. I expect MS will have learned form the current situation, and they will try - maybe blue has something to help with that.
    MS has always done a fine job in the PC arena(even if they are the company people love to hate). The SP is very complimentary to the PC, it doesn't tend to replace it unless you truly don't have a need for the power a full workstation PC provides. And the advancements they put into Win8 and the SP were carried over to the PC. They aren't Apple. For whom the PC's are the red-headed stepchildren of the company and have been left out to rot.
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    It doesn't look like vast numbers of their existing 1.5-2bn desktop are rushing out to buy things with 8 on them.

    Perhaps you hadn't noticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It doesn't look like vast numbers of their existing 1.5-2bn desktop are rushing out to buy things with 8 on them.

    Perhaps you hadn't noticed.
    The key is they're keeping current on 8 and older PC's, even if it may not be bingo profits day 1. The economics of it are the economics of it. People with older workstation PC's are simply hanging onto them because there isn't enough of a reason to upgrade to newer workstation PC's. Even then, we're still only talking about a decline in growth, which still equates to millions of PC's sold.. all of those with at least some variant of Windows on them.

    At the same time, if you got 7 running without a touchscreen on an old system, there isn't an overriding reason to go 8 until there is a reason to actually upgrade the hardware and become significantly faster. Thats the whole point of the SP, to provide an upgrade path that fills a need(taking your work mobile), while allowing people to get used to touchscreens with Windows and the benefits those provide.

    And making money is making money.. they likely pulled at least half a billion dollars in sales from SP and its accessories in a month, off a device with a very high profit margin. That'll go along way to covering the stinker of RT and the 2 million of those devices(they really should cut the price to compete with the Mini and not the original iPad, to hopefully flush as much of the stock as they can) they'll be trying to move for a good while, while minting money with the Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It doesn't look like vast numbers of their existing 1.5-2bn desktop are rushing out to buy things with 8 on them.

    Perhaps you hadn't noticed.
    If you say there's 2 billion desktops, that means 800 million XP users didn't rush out and buy Windows 7 either.
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    Not certain about the 2bn - have seen it quoted - 1.5 bn is more often suggested.

    Of course not all XP users upgraded to 7.

    Not relevant to my previous post. Par for the course for you, Bill.

    On the available information 8 is selling very badly. The mass market have not gone for it.

    MS may well release something that is more palatable.

    It will be interesting to see what name they use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Not certain about the 2bn - have seen it quoted - 1.5 bn is more often suggested.

    Of course not all XP users upgraded to 7.

    Not relevant to my previous post. Par for the course for you, Bill.
    You quoted the 2 billion, are you saying you plucked that out of thin air. if not all the XP users upgraded, there's even less incentive for Windows 7 users to upgrade as it hasn't been on the market anywhere near as long.

    I know nothing's relevant unless its negative, I'll try to Bee more like the Beekeeper.
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    No, I am saying exactly what is in the post you quoted. Can you read, or do you make everything up. The latter seems to be the case.

    I don't know what you have against MS, but these repeated attempts to suggest all is well is not helping them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    No, I am saying exactly what is in the post you quoted. Can you read, or do you make everything up. The latter seems to be the case.

    I don't know what you have against MS, but these repeated attempts to suggest all is well is not helping them.
    I don't think what you're doing helps much either, tech bloggers come to these sites and use all this Anti Windows 8 as more fuel to the fire.
    I could understand what you're doing if you just picked out a couple of points, but you seem to hate everything to do with Microsoft since Windows 7.
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    The message needs to be loud and clear. There is a danger if it gets buried/dies down the assumption is we will put up with/get used to it,etc.

    Aside from the UI causing such a problem, it will be interesting to see where MS are going with devices.

    Perhaps they should pursue it and make their own branded range - cut out the oems who they seem to be blaming for their woes.

    Doesn't need to be a huge range - Apple did well with that idea.

    Go on Stevie B - go for it.
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