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  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    There's "Lacklustre" demands for Ferraris too if you go by these traditional methods of measurement.

    Just because a market is small doesn't mean to say it's non existent or even not profitable.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    At the same time, new devices(especially with the much higher price point) typically tend to take time to really build with the general public. 400K in a month is a great start for a product that is $1K+ out the door and only in 2 territories.

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  2. #42


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    @chrisa

    You need to be clear, rather than saying Surface Pro, as that's a Billism. However, you over-estimate the desire of the common man to own a tablet that can run full Windows programs. It's simply a fact of life that they don't and never will. The world of apps, provided by the likes of Apple and Android, are more than enough for the vast majority of people.

    All that Windows 8 tablets will do is replace some, but not all laptops (not by a long shot). There are still significant functional advantages of a laptop over a tablet, even those with a detachable keyboard, for them to retain superiority. Just one example is the weight imbalance of a tablet with lightweight keyboard vs a laptop.

    Don't forget, the tablet and lightweight laptop market seems to be sitting anywhere between 10'-13". With a laptop, you have much greater engineering and design versatility. Consider also that designs for paper-thin, flexible, screens are well underway, and think of what you can do with one of these attached to a platform that contains all the hardware, keyboard, trackpad and whatever else. The screen could potentially be any size and attached to a small form-factor platform. It would make a tablet look somewhat passé.
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  3. #43


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    @chrisa

    You need to be clear, rather than saying Surface Pro, as that's a Billism. However, you over-estimate the desire of the common man to own a tablet that can run full Windows programs. It's simply a fact of life that they don't and never will. The world of apps, provided by the likes of Apple and Android, are more than enough for the vast majority of people.

    All that Windows 8 tablets will do is replace some, but not all laptops (not by a long shot). There are still significant functional advantages of a laptop over a tablet, even those with a detachable keyboard, for them to retain superiority. Just one example is the weight imbalance of a tablet with lightweight keyboard vs a laptop.

    Don't forget, the tablet and lightweight laptop market seems to be sitting anywhere between 10'-13". With a laptop, you have much greater engineering and design versatility. Consider also that designs for paper-thin, flexible, screens are well underway, and think of what you can do with one of these attached to a platform that contains all the hardware, keyboard, trackpad and whatever else. The screen could potentially be any size and attached to a small form-factor platform. It would make a tablet look somewhat passé.
    Hi there
    Not forgetting also EYE technology which could be used in lots of cases as an alternative to TOUCH where people have a resistance to using touch devices or where for traditional applications where touch on a large external monitor isn't practical.


    For instance having TWO screens I could see immediately the advantages of using EYE control to shift between the two displays rather than with a mouse (with large screen I wouldn't be able to use touch as the screen would b too far away to Swipe them to shift between the displays).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #44


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Be fascinating to see what uncle Tim produces from up his sleeve. You might be surprised.
    I thought you and Ray8 were Windows lovers, you seem to be more interested in what Apple does or might do than what Microsoft does.
    I think Uncle Tim might be peeing in his pants right now, he's being attacked by Samsung and Microsoft at the moment. That's the reason he sent his mad little mate Phyllis Diller out to bad mouth Android and the Galaxy S4 the other day.

    Everything they're doing is defensive, I don't think they've got anything left in the tank, they're iPad4 sales dropped by nearly 6 million in one month.

    Oh yeah, Windows phone sales seem to be going up at a reasonable amount as well. The Apple world is shrinking.
    that would explain there pure hate of windows 8
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  5. #45


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    @chrisa

    You need to be clear, rather than saying Surface Pro, as that's a Billism. However, you over-estimate the desire of the common man to own a tablet that can run full Windows programs. It's simply a fact of life that they don't and never will. The world of apps, provided by the likes of Apple and Android, are more than enough for the vast majority of people.
    I'll be as clear as I want to be. And I've never once said the 'common man' would flock to SP, nor would they need to. But you seem to think that the mobile market is *only* for the common man and only for one type of tablet. I also think you underestimate the number of people that aren't the 'common man' that only need to run apps when not flipping burgers or washing(rather than running) windows. There is an installed base of PC's that far exceeds that of even tablets, and there are plenty of those for whom the SP is an attractive purchase.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    All that Windows 8 tablets will do is replace some, but not all laptops (not by a long shot). There are still significant functional advantages of a laptop over a tablet, even those with a detachable keyboard, for them to retain superiority. Just one example is the weight imbalance of a tablet with lightweight keyboard vs a laptop.
    Really? Thats what you're going with? Weight imbalance lol? I presume you mean they're not good for the laptop position in your lap. But in that position, you simply use it as a tablet :P.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Don't forget, the tablet and lightweight laptop market seems to be sitting anywhere between 10'-13". With a laptop, you have much greater engineering and design versatility. Consider also that designs for paper-thin, flexible, screens are well underway, and think of what you can do with one of these attached to a platform that contains all the hardware, keyboard, trackpad and whatever else. The screen could potentially be any size and attached to a small form-factor platform. It would make a tablet look somewhat passé.
    Pie-in-the-sky development is just that. If/when some fantastic tech hits the market, it can prove its viability. But by then, you'll be telling me about some other wonder-tech is just around the corner. This is what is here and now and the only question is how big the market will be. You claim its small, I have a feeling its going to be far bigger than you can imagine. Time will tell.
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  6. #46


    Today is sponsored by the word "versatility". Not only is the SP a full PC it is the best form factor for versatility. Make it what you want at any given moment.

    Edit:

    I think the Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13 Convertible Ultrabook does a pretty good job at this as well. A little more price though.
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    But then:

    Of course, the Pro's numbers pale in comparison with the iPad. Apple sold more than 20 million iPads in the quarter ending December.
    Forget it Chrisa, if Surface Pro had sold 15 million it still would have been less than the iPad, and that's all our little chum here is worried about. Brick wall I'm afraid, you can talk till your blue in the face this guy knows better.

    All this from a guy who actually bought a Windows tablet, he must have been the only one in the world to do that and that's why he's pist.
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    ~yawn~... this latest tripe is based on the word of unidentified microsoft employees....
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    I'm here to help Windows.
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  10. #50


    I can honestly say that I have used a ton of tablets over the years, and the Surface Pro is really the only one that has really fit me well. But that was to be expected, it's a full PC inside of a small box. I can run everything that I am used to running and I don't have to get used to anything new (as I am already used to Windows 8).

    It's not 100% perfect, and it is rather expensive, and screen space (while looking great) is very limited and you need a flat surface if you plan to use one of the additional keyboards. I'm using it right now for this very post...(in keeping with full disclosure, I am using the optional Type cover keyboard...it's the only way that I can really be proficient with the device).
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