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  1. #51


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    The key is getting people used to touch in the Windows enviornment and all the benefits it can provide
    What are those benefits on the desktop - I really fail to see that. The arguments are now getting ridiculous.

    I have an Android tablet, and even that I often run with a BT keyboard and a mouse. Touch is good for an occasional lookup of something, but it is pretty useless if you want to get things done.

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  2. #52


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    The key is getting people used to touch in the Windows enviornment and all the benefits it can provide
    What are those benefits on the desktop - I really fail to see that. The arguments are now getting ridiculous.

    I have an Android tablet, and even that I often run with a BT keyboard and a mouse. Touch is good for an occasional lookup of something, but it is pretty useless if you want to get things done.
    I'd love to see you sitting at a McDonalds with your $80 7" tablet with a 20" keyboard and mouse. Come on whs stop with the funny stories already, you're cracking me up.
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  3. #53


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    The key is getting people used to touch in the Windows enviornment and all the benefits it can provide
    What are those benefits on the desktop - I really fail to see that. The arguments are now getting ridiculous.

    I have an Android tablet, and even that I often run with a BT keyboard and a mouse. Touch is good for an occasional lookup of something, but it is pretty useless if you want to get things done.
    Most people don't even have a clue how to run the Windows 8 GUI with Touch beyond the absolutely obvious. So I completely agree that you won't see those benefits, until you're actually interested in learning something new. Windows 8 is one of the few Windows Operating Systems that I would highly suggest that a book about its UI is of great value.

    Touch tends to bring you closer to the interface, the mouse is a bit more standoff-ish. The mouse still has its benefits, and nobody is getting rid of it.. but for screen jockeying, a person proficient in touch and the mechanics of windows 8 is far more proficient at controlling the interface.

    In the future, people will learn touch first, pen second, mouse third, keyboard fourth.

    You'll also find that mirrors the fidelity of human interface development. Why do you think iPads are so popular with babies?

    They can't work a mouse to save their lives, but they just love to touch things and have stuff happen. Then they love to draw on things. Then they get enough motor control to work a mouse. Only then do they have enough cognitive ability and language to work a keyboard.

    It doesn't change when you're an adult. Its always just more natural to simply touch things to make them work. You've simply been trained to use a mouse when working with the desktop, and while its not optimal.. its what you know and a habit that won't break easily(or maybe at all). We roll back to that 'old dogs' axiom. The kids won't have any trouble adapting to the new paradigm, and they'll laugh at gramps as he fumbles with his mouse to get things done.
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  4. #54


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    The key is getting people used to touch in the Windows enviornment and all the benefits it can provide
    What are those benefits on the desktop - I really fail to see that. The arguments are now getting ridiculous.

    I have an Android tablet, and even that I often run with a BT keyboard and a mouse. Touch is good for an occasional lookup of something, but it is pretty useless if you want to get things done.
    I remember when people said the same things about a remote control for a TV, what do you need one of those for, just get up and change channels, although admittedly there are still people struggling with remotes.

    What does it matter if you don't see the benefits, what about someone else, the world is not about you, it's about a whole conglomeration of people with different needs. That's the differentiator between Apple and Microsoft, Apple gives you no choice it's their way or the highway.
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  5. #55


    Posts : 55
    Windows 7 Home Prenium 64bit sp1


    Quote Originally Posted by munin View Post
    The only problem with Windows 8, is that lots of people dont learn to use it. If you want to boot directly to the desktop, it is very easy to fix that. If you want the start meny back, there are several versions to choose from. But the fact is that lots of things work better and faster with Metro. One month into Windows 8, on two laptops, it is the most effective and enjoyable I have had on any computer or OS.
    Problem with that is most users are not tech savy and don't want to bother with that. Should be easy out of the box. They should of just included a optional desktop ui that's like win 7 in the first place instead of having to do this all your self which most normal users would not think of so it's easier to just stay with a os like 7 or vista or hell xp for those who still use it.
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  6. #56


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by M1GU31 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by munin View Post
    The only problem with Windows 8, is that lots of people dont learn to use it. If you want to boot directly to the desktop, it is very easy to fix that. If you want the start meny back, there are several versions to choose from. But the fact is that lots of things work better and faster with Metro. One month into Windows 8, on two laptops, it is the most effective and enjoyable I have had on any computer or OS.
    Problem with that is most users are not tech savy and don't want to bother with that. Should be easy out of the box. They should of just included a optional desktop ui that's like win 7 in the first place instead of having to do this all your self which most normal users would not think of so it's easier to just stay with a os like 7 or vista or hell xp for those who still use it.
    Its better if they show tough love while the users detox from the mouse-driven era. If you really want, there are 3rd party solutions that will help you cope :>.
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  7. #57


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    What does it matter if you do think there are benefits - what about everybody else. That is the point.

    Allow choice of boot to desktop and some kind of start menu - or start screen .

    That would be ok for everyone. It would also help MS sell this thing.

    MS decided to thrust start screen at everyone as often as possible - they benefit of course - no coincidence it is littered with bing apps. and other MS attempts to get the users to their clouds.

    That is what it is for.

    At least google were up front when they said nexus is intended for accessing google proprietary content



    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    The key is getting people used to touch in the Windows enviornment and all the benefits it can provide
    What are those benefits on the desktop - I really fail to see that. The arguments are now getting ridiculous.

    I have an Android tablet, and even that I often run with a BT keyboard and a mouse. Touch is good for an occasional lookup of something, but it is pretty useless if you want to get things done.
    I remember when people said the same things about a remote control for a TV, what do you need one of those for, just get up and change channels, although admittedly there are still people struggling with remotes.

    What does it matter if you don't see the benefits, what about someone else, the world is not about you, it's about a whole conglomeration of people with different needs. That's the differentiator between Apple and Microsoft, Apple gives you no choice it's their way or the highway.
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  8. #58


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    What does it matter if you do think there are benefits - what about everybody else. That is the point.

    Allow choice of boot to desktop and some kind of start menu - or start screen .

    That would be ok for everyone. It would also help MS sell this thing.

    MS decided to thrust start screen at everyone as often as possible - they benefit of course - no coincidence it is littered with bing apps. and other MS attempts to get the users to their clouds.

    That is what it is for.

    At least google were up front when they said nexus is intended for accessing google proprietary content



    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    What are those benefits on the desktop - I really fail to see that. The arguments are now getting ridiculous.

    I have an Android tablet, and even that I often run with a BT keyboard and a mouse. Touch is good for an occasional lookup of something, but it is pretty useless if you want to get things done.
    I remember when people said the same things about a remote control for a TV, what do you need one of those for, just get up and change channels, although admittedly there are still people struggling with remotes.

    What does it matter if you don't see the benefits, what about someone else, the world is not about you, it's about a whole conglomeration of people with different needs. That's the differentiator between Apple and Microsoft, Apple gives you no choice it's their way or the highway.
    I'm starting to come to grips with your way of thinking SIW2, this is what some people need for a long time. Okay I'm good with that, as long as its optional, I don't need em.
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  9. #59


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    It is not a question of training wheels, as you well know.

    It is a question of the best tool for the UI/user.

    If the choice is there - then you can have whichever you like at the time - set whichever you like as default.

    If you really want an app. launcher popping up and covering what you are doing - littered with exhortations to MS proprietary schemes - then you can have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    What does it matter if you do think there are benefits - what about everybody else. That is the point.

    Allow choice of boot to desktop and some kind of start menu - or start screen .

    That would be ok for everyone. It would also help MS sell this thing.

    MS decided to thrust start screen at everyone as often as possible - they benefit of course - no coincidence it is littered with bing apps. and other MS attempts to get the users to their clouds.

    That is what it is for.

    At least google were up front when they said nexus is intended for accessing google proprietary content



    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I remember when people said the same things about a remote control for a TV, what do you need one of those for, just get up and change channels, although admittedly there are still people struggling with remotes.

    What does it matter if you don't see the benefits, what about someone else, the world is not about you, it's about a whole conglomeration of people with different needs. That's the differentiator between Apple and Microsoft, Apple gives you no choice it's their way or the highway.
    I'm starting to come to grips with your way of thinking SIW2, this is what some people need for a long time. Okay I'm good with that, as long as its optional, I don't need em.
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  10. #60


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    The key is getting people used to touch in the Windows enviornment and all the benefits it can provide
    What are those benefits on the desktop - I really fail to see that. The arguments are now getting ridiculous.

    I have an Android tablet, and even that I often run with a BT keyboard and a mouse. Touch is good for an occasional lookup of something, but it is pretty useless if you want to get things done.
    I'd love to see you sitting at a McDonalds with your $80 7" tablet with a 20" keyboard and mouse. Come on whs stop with the funny stories already, you're cracking me up.
    First of all, my tablet is a 32GB Nexus 7 that cost $230. The little $59 tablet I had setup for a while was a gift for a kid.

    Secondly, I don't go to McDonald. I come from a civilized background where people eat proper food.

    Thirdly, my keyboard is a Motorola Keyboard that measures 29cm wide and 14cm deep.

    And lastly, stop being such an unpleasant person. You have to learn proper manners and respect.
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