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  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I kind of have to agree too with that. I honestly thought touch typing on the Surface would be sucky but better than the ipad or android, but I found it to be lots better than either. It was just fine. I was like Data from Star Trek.
    I like to deal in facts, when an Apple Fanboy says something is a killer accessory, it's a killer accessory. Others have said much the same.
    I kind of wonder if the touch covers can be done without and just use the touchscreen keyboard....
    From Scott Stein again.
    .Working with the included touch pad gets the job done, but you can just as easily use the Surface's touch screen --

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  2. #22


    It is not as if I cannot type on the screen. And I can go back and correct mistakes and get reasonable speeds. I'm much faster with this then my Samsung phone. But I find that trying to correct mistakes takes a whole lot longer on this device than on a keyboard. I

    i'm going to jump out to a wpm score site and see how I do with this. I will post back results in a few.
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  3. #23


    Ok, I went to the following URL and ran through this typing test.
    TypingTest.com - Free Typing Test & Keyboarding Games Online

    I choose the African Zebra piece.

    Utilizing the onscreen keyboard of the surface, I managed a grand total of 12 wpm. And my accuracy was 44%. Now, this got a bit skewed because I had to hit a symbol submenu to pull up the - (dash). In addition, on two different occasions, I bumped the Windows button and ended up back on the start screen and launched a couple of metro apps. I had to swipe back on the screen and then bring the onboard keyboard back up to finish the test.

    Then, I relaunched the test, using the type cover keyboard on the Surface pro. On this, I managed 72wpm with 94% accuracy.

    I think this clearly jives with the experience that I feel when I type on the onscreen keyboard. Sure, I can do it. But boy it's far less fast than I am with this keyboard.
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  4. #24


    Ok, I have another fun test that I am going to try. I'm going to take this paragraph, and I'm going to hammer it out (correcting all mistakes and getting it perfect) and time how long it takes between the onscreen keyboard and the type cover keyboard.

    Utilizing the onscreen keyboard of the surface, I managed a grand total of 12 wpm. And my accuracy was 44%. Now, this got a bit skewed because I had to hit a symbol submenu to pull up the - (dash). In addition, on two different occasions, I bumped the Windows button and ended up back on the start screen and launched a couple of metro apps. I had to swipe back on the screen and then bring the onboard keyboard back up to finish the test.
    Utilizing the onscreen keyboard of the surface, I managed a grand total of 12 wpm. And my accuracy was 44%. Now, this got a bit skewed because I had to hit a symbol submenu to pull up the - (dash). In addition, on two different occasions, I bumped the Windows button and ended up back on the start screen and launched a couple of metro apps. I had to swipe back on the screen and then bring the onboard keyboard back up to finish the test.
    That took me 3:10 using the onscreen keyboard to duplicate. That was pressing shift for uppercase, and not letting word correction fill in anything for me. Also, had to grab those submenus for the dash. Did manage to NOT pull up the Windows Start Screen though this time through.


    Utilizing the onscreen keyboard of the surface, I managed a grand total of 12wpm. And my accuracy was 44%. Now, this got a bit skewed because I had to it a symbol submenu to pull up the - (dash). In addition, on two different occasions, I bumped the Windows button and ended up back on the start screen and launched a couple of metro apps. I had to swipe back on the screen and then bring the onboard keyboard back up to finish the test.
    That took me 57 seconds using the Type Cover keyboard.


    So, while hammering away on text using the tablet itself is doable, it's not a super fast endeavor me for at all. I'm at least 3x faster with a real keyboard. And when you type as much as I do, this adds up to a ton of lost time.
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  5. #25


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    Gotta agree with you here CR... i use touchscreen keyboard when i have to, most of the time its the regular type keyboard(i like the feeling of keys as opposed to tapping a surface). That said, the touchscreen keyboard is still quite serviceable, just not as fast in comparison.

    And with intellisense on VS.. adding code is no issue at all. I tend to find the only thing holding me back is the keys are a bit more compressed, so my left hand is where it is normally.. and the right usually goes a bit more freeform.
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  6. #26


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    I guess it must just be me and how I can type pretty quickly with a touchscreen keyboard. It could be that I'm actively trying to type on my Windows Phone as quickly and accurately as possible. I'm getting the quick part, accurate is ok most of the time, Windows Phone's autocorrect is excellent. I'm also trying to tap type without ACTUALLY looking at the keyboard, so I should be able to type like I normally do with a normal PC keyboard, looking at the typed content (or whatever peaks my interest visually) and not the keyboard.
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
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    Don't judge the surface pro until you have spent a whole weekend trying to use it exclusively. 
    This was typed on the Surface Pro.
    th
    yes it was. Not only that, I sm using the. Keyboard with all ten fingers. I'm not correctingna mistakes, I've closed the browser three times by hitting the windows key , brought up the weather app, the finance app accidentally . its probably tkane me about two minutes thus far t omake this fespons. Pretty swedte
    So you've gone from mumbo jumbo to 72wpm and 94% accuracy in a matter of no time at all. So that would make the Surface Pro a magic machine.

    You've now given it a AAA rating.
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  8. #28


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    The Markets don't seem to agree with the sentiment of the article -- in any case in order to develop something for the FUTURE you have to lay the groundwork somewhere and this does cost money.

    I'd rather trust the Markets than from some possibly "Linux Centric" magazine -- not that there's any complaint with Linux it's just that it isn't nor ever likely to be a big player for your typical Home users-- and for those corporations who have switched to Linux and using Open Office -- well it might be OK for simple documents but I doubt if any SERIOUS POWER user of EXCEL say would agree that Open Office is a satisfactory replacement.

    People particularly in the US work on incredibly Short Term ideas --if it hasn't worked by tomorrow --forget it. Ms although late to the party realizes the future is AWAY from the traditional desktop and even though late and maybe the first throw of the dice wasn't to a lot of people's liking the future IS in mobile / portable devices and the desktop will represent a DIMINISHING value in Ms's portfolio.

    I know some say there's stuff that you'll always need a desktop for -- true -- but this isn't in the future where Ms expects most of its revenue to come from and by recognizing this early enough and while they are still rich enough allows them to try out stuff and make some mistakes along the way.

    I'd still rather be in Ms's shoes than Apple's -- especially now that even the once mighty iTunes is being hampered as subscription based music services such as Spotify eat into iTunes, music torrents still abound in spite of all attempts to close these sites down, and people such as Netflix, Hula, SKY and even the staid old B.T in the UK start rolling out "On Demand" TV / Films etc which will also kill APPLE TV stone dead -- new TV's are often Smart TV's which can connect to the Internet or a LAN directly so who needs an Apple TV type of box.

    The I.T magazines should stick to doing what they do best -- stick to essentially I.T stuff -- for instance in the same magazine there's a great little article of a lot more relevance to anybody doing system administration whether at home or work.

    13 killer open source admin tools - InfoWorld

    I'd leave business to the Markets and let Ms get on with it.

    Yesterday 08 Mar at market close (and Fridays are often "Carnage on Wall St Days")

    AAPL close 430.58 USD 52 wk range 419.00 - 705.07
    MSFT close 28.00 USD 52 wk range 26.26 - 32.95 .

    Apple has a lot to do in order to convince the market. Ms seems to have the confidence of the market at the moment to recover anything like its previous position.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    The Markets don't seem to agree with the sentiment of the article -- in any case in order to develop something for the FUTURE you have to lay the groundwork somewhere and this does cost money.

    I'd rather trust the Markets than from some possibly "Linux Centric" magazine -- not that there's any complaint with Linux it's just that it isn't nor ever likely to be a big player for your typical Home users-- and for those corporations who have switched to Linux and using Open Office -- well it might be OK for simple documents but I doubt if any SERIOUS POWER user of EXCEL say would agree that Open Office is a satisfactory replacement.

    People particularly in the US work on incredibly Short Term ideas --if it hasn't worked by tomorrow --forget it. Ms although late to the party realizes the future is AWAY from the traditional desktop and even though late and maybe the first throw of the dice wasn't to a lot of people's liking the future IS in mobile / portable devices and the desktop will represent a DIMINISHING value in Ms's portfolio.

    I know some say there's stuff that you'll always need a desktop for -- true -- but this isn't in the future where Ms expects most of its revenue to come from and by recognizing this early enough and while they are still rich enough allows them to try out stuff and make some mistakes along the way.

    I'd still rather be in Ms's shoes than Apple's -- especially now that even the once mighty iTunes is being hampered as subscription based music services such as Spotify eat into iTunes, music torrents still abound in spite of all attempts to close these sites down, and people such as Netflix, Hula, SKY and even the staid old B.T in the UK start rolling out "On Demand" TV / Films etc which will also kill APPLE TV stone dead -- new TV's are often Smart TV's which can connect to the Internet or a LAN directly so who needs an Apple TV type of box.
    I'd have to agree. Short term its going to be the hurt locker for Microsoft. But I really do believe if they can show that convertibles can take over the 10" form factor, that they'll start to get their groove back. And one month of release isn't going to show much. It'll probably take at least 3-6 months to really get hard data. But short term, Apple has all the inertia. They also need to take this time to clean house as it pertains to anything holding up developer and customer adoption as part of Blue. They also need to re-factor RT 2.0 down to a 7" model for a release at the end of the year if they want any hope of competing in the pure tablet arena.
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  10. #30


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    However you cut it most people can type considerably faster using a classic keyboard than any sort of touch. Even if they are slow "One fingered" typists.

    When it comes to writing a keyboard is still much much faster -- in any case I'll almost bet that some youngsters probably haven't done any actual handwriting for MONTHS. Certainly once they leave school.

    For decent and lengthy data input you can't beat a keyboard. An on screen one is only of limited use, --even when replying to Forums using a smart phone I use a blue tooth keyboard.

    To replace a desktop you will need a decent keyboard with your tablet for working for any length of time --and probably either a mouse or a decent touch enabled pen -- although for highlighting large chunks of text for cut and copy / replace a mouse still is the most convenient and easiest way to do it.

    A pen is really great for things like photoshop though. Although Photoshop on the current crop of tablets ?? A surface pro might work though.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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