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Tough Times for Win 8 and MS

  1. #271


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Let me add, I agree that Microsoft is having some difficulty with public acceptance of Windows 8 and the improvements they proclaim. (all of which I like) (I will take an opposite view and state that I like it as it is)

    I have always had some curiosity as to why Bill Gates, even as a successful software engineer,
    could make 1 Billion dollars a week... it seems a bit much.

    Their profit margin is too high for them to be squeezing the public for subscriptions and expensive software.
    If they continue to be greedy, something bad could happen.
    Easily one of the biggest misconceptions of the little guy is equating some paper figure to being 'cash'. Like calling has salary $3 billion. Salary implies they paid him money and he walked home with it.

    The only thing that happened is that the stock he held rose in price. And, in fact, if i recall.. he's diversified himself pretty well and only has like a 5 or 10% share in Microsoft. Stock itself is just a monetization of a portion of a company. If the companies he has a stake in go belly-up tomorrow, he has nothing and a lot of people just lost their jobs. Trust me when i say he doesn't have $66 billion sitting around in some bank collecting dust.. its a paper figure. Even if he tried to dump his stock, it would result in the price crashing and then being worth very little.

    Lets just put it this way when we talk about the economy. Can you comprehend that when you talk about a bank account, that there isn't some space in a bank where your money sits? A bank account is a loan made to the bank at a very low interest rate(savings) or none at all(checking), for which they agree to either provide you the money should you ask for it, or transfer it to a creditor to pay a bill should you ask for it. But its a loan. You know what they do with it? They take it and play the ponies(i mean invest). That money you gave them is insured by the USFG up to a certain amount(usually $100K) should the banks investments in the Casino called Wall Street be wiped out.

    So you can't even deposit money without it being used in the economy. Someone like Gates and his "$66 billion"? Thats simply the money based on what one person will pay another for a share of the companies he's invested in. What do those companies do with the money he invests? They use it to pay salaries of everyday people like you and me. They spend money to generate a product that hopefully sells for more than it cost to make. There are people being paid on every single part of that chain from developers that come up with an idea, to people who implement it, to people that market and sell it. And each and every one of those people pays taxes on threat of jailtime.

    Its what allows the government to function and be funded. The only thing you do when you 'tax the rich' is cause less money to be invested and less people to be paid. You literally can do nothing in this country without it being some form of investment, as i said.. up to and including dumping the money in a bank loan(i mean 'account' :>).

    That said.. i do believe in government, and in fact unchecked anything-goes off-the-rails capitalism can be a very bad thing(i.e. The Dust Bowl). But Government Intervention should be a last resort, not a first.. and it shouldn't look to fund itself by systematically cutting off the supply of funds to corporations, while then providing that money in the form of permanant welfare programs to the people who get tossed out of work as a result in order to generate more voters to keep them in power.

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  2. #272


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The future:

    Attachment 18300
    I was just about to say, Windows 8 is so simple, even a untrained monkey can use it.

    Now I wonder what that has to say about certain humans...
    Win8 is simple to use but you're talking about human perceptions here and you've got about 2 seconds to make a good or bad impression. It's not in anyone's interests for Win8 to fail and the negative perception (from many quarters) could be easily sorted out IMO. MS also suffered (or was it the users) from the cloud outage a few days ago. Cloud is fine but 99% reliability is not good enough even if you do have a fast connection.

    MS seems to be taking flack from all corners and they need to get the heat off rather than simply digging a deeper hole.
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  3. #273


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The future:

    Attachment 18300
    I was just about to say, Windows 8 is so simple, even a untrained monkey can use it.

    Now I wonder what that has to say about certain humans...
    Win8 is simple to use but you're talking about human perceptions here and you've got about 2 seconds to make a good or bad impression. It's not in anyone's interests for Win8 to fail and the negative perception (from many quarters) could be easily sorted out IMO. MS also suffered (or was it the users) from the cloud outage a few days ago. Cloud is fine but 99% reliability is not good enough even if you do have a fast connection.

    MS seems to be taking flack from all corners and they need to get the heat off rather than simply digging a deeper hole.
    Hi there
    sometimes this is a great business tool -- divert the flak to something so everybody's attention is on it --then create something new while nobody is looking and then make a huge splash in the market place.

    The rumour mill has it that there might be some Xbox offerings or other "goodies".

    I still really can't see what all the fuss over W8 is about --it's simple to use it just like you've always use W7 with such a couple of minor changes that after around 12 secs you wouldn't even notice -- plus you get the benefit of new features, improved kernel and much better security.

    Of course W8 can be improved / modified --that's always going to happen anyway -- but actually the start menu (classic) I tried it for a while and then simply got rid of it --it was just cluttering up my screen --I find custom toolbars plus the quick launch bar much more convenient and even Desktop short cut icons I don't bother with now.


    I don't even start the desktop app from the start menu any more -- I have organised the apps I always want to start first into the tiles on the LEFT of the screen, I've deleted all the "Canned Metro tiles" and when starting my first app it start in Windowed mode automatically obviously starting the desktop.

    Then other applications I just run in the traditional way -- or for system functions such as Control panel etc just simply use Win + X keyboard.

    Cheers
    jimboo
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  5. #275


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The future:
    I was just about to say, Windows 8 is so simple, even a untrained monkey can use it.

    Now I wonder what that has to say about certain humans...
    Win8 is simple to use but you're talking about human perceptions here and you've got about 2 seconds to make a good or bad impression. It's not in anyone's interests for Win8 to fail and the negative perception (from many quarters) could be easily sorted out IMO. MS also suffered (or was it the users) from the cloud outage a few days ago. Cloud is fine but 99% reliability is not good enough even if you do have a fast connection.

    MS seems to be taking flack from all corners and they need to get the heat off rather than simply digging a deeper hole.
    The only thing I can think of that's 100% guaranteed is death, taxes I'm not sure about.
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  6. #276


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I was just about to say, Windows 8 is so simple, even a untrained monkey can use it.

    Now I wonder what that has to say about certain humans...
    Win8 is simple to use but you're talking about human perceptions here and you've got about 2 seconds to make a good or bad impression. It's not in anyone's interests for Win8 to fail and the negative perception (from many quarters) could be easily sorted out IMO. MS also suffered (or was it the users) from the cloud outage a few days ago. Cloud is fine but 99% reliability is not good enough even if you do have a fast connection.

    MS seems to be taking flack from all corners and they need to get the heat off rather than simply digging a deeper hole.
    Hi there
    sometimes this is a great business tool -- divert the flak to something so everybody's attention is on it --then create something new while nobody is looking and then make a huge splash in the market place.

    The rumour mill has it that there might be some Xbox offerings or other "goodies".

    I still really can't see what all the fuss over W8 is about --it's simple to use it just like you've always use W7 with such a couple of minor changes that after around 12 secs you wouldn't even notice -- plus you get the benefit of new features, improved kernel and much better security.

    Of course W8 can be improved / modified --that's always going to happen anyway -- but actually the start menu (classic) I tried it for a while and then simply got rid of it --it was just cluttering up my screen --I find custom toolbars plus the quick launch bar much more convenient and even Desktop short cut icons I don't bother with now.


    I don't even start the desktop app from the start menu any more -- I have organised the apps I always want to start first into the tiles on the LEFT of the screen, I've deleted all the "Canned Metro tiles" and when starting my first app it start in Windowed mode automatically obviously starting the desktop.

    Then other applications I just run in the traditional way -- or for system functions such as Control panel etc just simply use Win + X keyboard.

    Cheers
    jimboo
    I honestly think it's too simple, people are looking for problems that just aren't there. While I'm not saying there's no problems, the ones that people talk about are mostly cosmetic.

    I think with some minor upgrades and a few more months people will come around.
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  7. #277


    Posts : 902
    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I was just about to say, Windows 8 is so simple, even a untrained monkey can use it.

    Now I wonder what that has to say about certain humans...
    Ah, so we're untrained monkeys now, because we don't agree with you....brilliant...
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  8. #278


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    ModernMix removed any reason for me to be upset with Win 8. I played around with StartisBack, however, after a couple of weeks ended up back with the Start Screen. As to all the arguments for or against I just don't see them any more though it is fun to read what others are thinking and feeling about Win 8.
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  9. #279


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    Can't understand all this Doom and Gloom with Ms

    Stock today (Fri 14 Mar) opened higher and the "Market Whisper" is that MSFT is a "BUY".

    MSFT Stock | Dow Today: Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Higher - TheStreet

    Hardly the last dying gasps of an industrial Dynosaur.

    As I've said before I'd sleep much less soundly if I were the CEO of "The Fruit Company".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #280


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Nobody else can understand why you keep trotting these out.

    The stock's dividend yield sits at 3.3%.

    The company has a P/E ratio of 15.3, below the S&P 500 P/E ratio of 17.7.
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