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  1. #211


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    So once again, the Windows 8 luvvies descend to childish insults.
    I've never seen a guy who gets insulted so easily, were kids nasty to you in school Ray.
    Your arguments have descended to childish insults, insults towards everyone who doesn't see things your way. That is just sad.
    You're the one asking people to see things your way, you ask Microsoft to see things your way. The only thing I ask is for people to wake up and smell the roses, the world is not going to end with Windows 8. Don't like it don't use it.

    You call people all kinds of nasty names for using Windows 8, yet you can't take a little jibe back.

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  2. #212


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've never seen a guy who gets insulted so easily, were kids nasty to you in school Ray.
    Your arguments have descended to childish insults, insults towards everyone who doesn't see things your way. That is just sad.
    So liar, Windows 8 Nazies, Windows 8 luvvies aren't insults, but anything you take offence to, is. Okay, I get it.
    I don't call those who disagree with your point of view as apes or monkeys. Nazis imply people who want to force their ideals on others, luvvies are those who can't see anything wrong with their beliefs; both of which characterise those who have an abject intolerance for other's points of view, which you demonstrate admirably.

    I think there is a significant difference in connotation between those terms. I don't think that you get very much at all with your blinkered view on issues.
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  3. #213


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You're the one asking people to see things your way, you ask Microsoft to see things your way. The only thing I ask is for people to wake up and smell the roses, the world is not going to end with Windows 8. Don't like it don't use it.

    You call people all kinds of nasty names for using Windows 8, yet you can't take a little jibe back.
    See again you create things that aren't there. I'm merely pointing out a personal view on what I prefer, which is rapidly being validated/supported by World plus Dog in repeated posts in this forum, as well as in technical articles. It's becoming patently obvious that World plus Dog does not like the current state of Windows 8, but that's their choice.

    Why is it that you can't accept other people's views on how they would prefer Windows 8 to function, but keep calling them apes because they prefer the previous style of interface? You should be happy because you have exactly what you like, let those who want an alternative maintain their voice so that maybe there can be a formal change to suit them as well.
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  4. #214


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Well, that was well misinterpreted.

    If you'd been following my posts, you'd have seen that I own both a smart-phone and a tablet.

    On THEM, touch is fine.

    On the desktop, it's as useful as a third nipple. If that.

    What IS silly is forcing an unwanted and unnecessary paradigm where it is neither needed nor wanted.
    But you've also narrowed your view to simply what you currently have for desktop applications.You look at the 20 year old design of a lot of desktop applications built around keyboard and mouse and think thats all you're ever going to have, so why worry about touch? Answer: you gain the same increases in productivity putting out a touch application of the same tool(especially if your old interface was built in a WinForms application), as you do in jumping from desktop to mobile app development.

    What its really going to take is someone reformatting a critical application for touch(while being backwards compatible to 7 and being able to sell cut down Lite versions in the App Store), with people having an AH HA moment. You really can take the mobile way of doing things to the desktop and have it make sense. And as that happens, everyone is going to be headed toward a touchscreen(or holographic? :>) monitor for their PC to match their tablet.

    Everybody wants to be Iron Man, sitting at their desk simply developing stuff on the fly on their desktop by touching and waving their hands in the air. Trust me, none of his core designing was tablet :P. Its the future everyone wants, this whole primary design aesthetic based around keyboard and mouse is whats in the way. Its simply the next evolutionary step, and either you're in the game, or you get left behind.

    You can outdate someone two ways, by developing an entirely new product, or by evolving a currently existing one. The first is cool and sexy and you'll be getting media blowjobs while fanbois lap dance you. The second is a grind and people will fight you every step of the way, but get on the other side and they'll wonder how they ever did without.

    Microsoft tends to be the second type of company, which is why they tend to be reviled(they're always changing what you like), and is dabbling in the first to get a foothold to push the second, which will then feedback into the first. If they're successful, they'll be the only company with a touch ecosystem that spans everything from the lowly app, to a gaming console, on up all the way to server software and tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You're the one asking people to see things your way, you ask Microsoft to see things your way. The only thing I ask is for people to wake up and smell the roses, the world is not going to end with Windows 8. Don't like it don't use it.

    You call people all kinds of nasty names for using Windows 8, yet you can't take a little jibe back.
    See again you create things that aren't there. I'm merely pointing out a personal view on what I prefer, which is rapidly being validated/supported by World plus Dog in repeated posts in this forum, as well as in technical articles. It's becoming patently obvious that World plus Dog does not like the current state of Windows 8, but that's their choice.

    Why is it that you can't accept other people's views on how they would prefer Windows 8 to function, but keep calling them apes because they prefer the previous style of interface? You should be happy because you have exactly what you like, let those who want an alternative maintain their voice so that maybe there can be a formal change to suit them as well.
    I haven't called anyone an Ape, I've merely posted some funny pictures, most people laugh, you take them as an insult. I posted some pictures while you were off enjoying yourself while we were fighting a raging battle, people laughed, you would have been insulted.

    World plus Dog didn't like XP either or any version of Windows really, it gets a bit boring after all these years hearing the same rubbish over and over. Too much colour in Vista not enough in Windows 8, Aero was a gimmick, now it's a must have, the ribbon, who hasn't heard of the ribbon.

    I'm thinking of asking Wenda to copy DOS 6.22 for me and going back to that, all this Windows stuff is just too much future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    But you've also narrowed your view to simply what you currently have for desktop applications.
    The problem is that Microsoft is trying to force everyone to a touch based interface, where you only see and do one thing at a time, like you would on a mobile phone due to its restrictive size. Touch makes sense in that environment, but doesn't translate as effectively when it comes to larger screen devices.

    There's a transition point along the way where the screen becomes impractical to hold and touch becomes less practical as well. That also applies to many tasks, where the complexity is not conducive to a touch interface. Microsoft seems to be saying that we no longer need the finesse of a stylus/pen etc, but should go back to finger painting on cave walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I haven't called anyone an Ape, I've merely posted some funny pictures, most people laugh, you take them as an insult. I posted some pictures while you were off enjoying yourself while we were fighting a raging battle, people laughed, you would have been insulted.

    World plus Dog didn't like XP either or any version of Windows really, it gets a bit boring after all these years hearing the same rubbish over and over. Too much colour in Vista not enough in Windows 8, Aero was a gimmick, now it's a must have, the ribbon, who hasn't heard of the ribbon.

    I'm thinking of asking Wenda to copy DOS 6.22 for me and going back to that, all this Windows stuff is just too much future.
    I think most reasonable people, knowing your point of view, would clearly associate your 'funny' pictures as implying that those who don't like Windows 8 are apes:

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Windows 8 is confusing.

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    As I suggested, you don't have to read any of these posts, as you now have what makes you extremely happy. So why get stressed with constant posts in threads that upset you? Ignore the posts and live a happy Windows 8 life.
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  8. #218


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    But you've also narrowed your view to simply what you currently have for desktop applications.
    The problem is that Microsoft is trying to force everyone to a touch based interface, where you only see and do one thing at a time, like you would on a mobile phone due to its restrictive size. Touch makes sense in that environment, but doesn't translate as effectively when it comes to larger screen devices.
    It translates just as effectively, but not on older software that wasn't built with it in mind. Nothing is stopping you from using the mouse or keyboard if thats your primary means of input, but why be bitter that other people are going to be able to use touch and be just as productive, if not more so, for a lot of tasks in the future? Is being Conservative and railing against change and evolution really that important to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    It translates just as effectively, but not on older software that wasn't built with it in mind. Nothing is stopping you from using the mouse or keyboard if thats your primary means of input, but why be bitter that other people are going to be able to use touch and be just as productive, if not more so, for a lot of tasks in the future? Is being Conservative and railing against change and evolution really that important to you?
    I'm not against anyone liking and using touch, all power to them. What I'm criticising is the fact that touch, represented by the MPI, is the default way when it comes to Windows 8, with no alternative options from Microsoft. To use it the way many want, requires third party applications. It needn't have been that way, which would have then made everyone more than happy with the Windows 8 from the outset.

    What's riling so many people is that Microsoft has it's head up it's rear and seems to be refusing to acknowledge the growing groundswell against this forced methodology. Imagine if there were no third party applications to give people what they want, Windows 8 would be utterly dead in the water. The fact that there is such violent disagreement just within this forum, regarding the implementation, proves that it's not an insignificant issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    But you've also narrowed your view to simply what you currently have for desktop applications.
    The problem is that Microsoft is trying to force everyone to a touch based interface, where you only see and do one thing at a time, like you would on a mobile phone due to its restrictive size. Touch makes sense in that environment, but doesn't translate as effectively when it comes to larger screen devices.

    There's a transition point along the way where the screen becomes impractical to hold and touch becomes less practical as well. That also applies to many tasks, where the complexity is not conducive to a touch interface. Microsoft seems to be saying that we no longer need the finesse of a stylus/pen etc, but should go back to finger painting on cave walls.
    Then why do they put a digitizer pen with the Surface Pro, and I'm absolutely positive you can use a stylus with Windows 8 and yet you make a reference to finger painting on cave walls.
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