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  1. #181


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    One can argue all they want for or against the future of touch. It does not change the fact that 95% of us are still using a regular keyboard and mouse to interact with Windows. If you want to understand why so many are so hostile toward Windows 8, you need only look at the fact that they designed their newest operating system for components that are not currently present on 95% of their install base, and they forced us to resort to 3rd party applications to restore ease of use functionality that should have been there out of the box. It has been close to 6 months for me, and I still cannot see the start screen as an upgrade. Had it been included as an option, even as an option to fully replace the start menu if I so chose, it would have tasted a lot better going down, and this whole release could have gone down differently. You heard it here again..
    They didn't force you to do anything :P. It was your choice to install 8 or not. Heck, I probably paid less than you did... $30 for Windows 8 Pro :P. $15 if you don't count the DVD of it I wasn't going to go without that arrived the other day. One thing that really did piss me off about Microsoft back in the day was their tendency to either pre-install operating systems, or not give you a DVD and just install. Thankfully they've stopped doing that and you actually get the full Oh Shit! install disk if you want one.

    I'm still running 7 on the main system, but not going to switch over just yet as i work through the new edition of the Petzold book on the Surface Pro. XAML is kickass. I may just wait to see what they do with Blue before going whole hog on the PC. No hurry. Maybe touchscreen monitors will be cheaper and more capable by then :P.

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  2. #182


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Ray8 wrote:-
    The issue that I see with touch is whether it's a solution to a problem, or a solution looking for a problem. If it's a solution to a problem, what's the problem? If it's a solution looking for a problem, what's the problem we're looking for?
    Exactly!

    Or perhaps a 'solution' that will cause more problems than it is intended to 'solve'.

    For me, it brings nothing to the table on a desktop (no pun intended).

    To me, a statement like that implies that you believe the opposite to be true.. that touch isn't needed on tablets. After all, when you break right down to it.. its all the same digital programs. Trying to claim touch is needed on one device, but on the other its not.. just seems silly.

    Kind of like...

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  3. #183


    Another point in favour of Win 8, even if only cosmetic is, if you use the start menu a lot, and have a lot of icons in there from Apps, then go to bottom right of screen and click the minus!!
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  4. #184


    Can anyone tell me how touch will work on the silly little Start Orb and stupid little Start Menu? It was difficult enough to use with mouse and keyboard. That's why it was hardly used by most users. I hope never to see the likes of it again.
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  5. #185


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Can anyone tell me how touch will work on the silly little Start Orb and stupid little Start Menu? It was difficult enough to use with mouse and keyboard. That's why it was hardly used by most users. I hope never to see the likes of it again.
    People who want the start menu back don't wish to use touch with the interface, they are desktop users who use a mouse and keyboard. That said, I just tried touch with my Windows 7 tablet and the start button and menu selection worked fine with touch.

    I simply don't understand what people have against the traditional desktop interface and why they don't want anyone else to be able to have this feature. These people are like health fanatics that want to control what people eat and drink because they believe it's for their own good.
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  6. #186


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Ray8 wrote:-
    The issue that I see with touch is whether it's a solution to a problem, or a solution looking for a problem. If it's a solution to a problem, what's the problem? If it's a solution looking for a problem, what's the problem we're looking for?
    Exactly!

    Or perhaps a 'solution' that will cause more problems than it is intended to 'solve'.

    For me, it brings nothing to the table on a desktop (no pun intended).

    To me, a statement like that implies that you believe the opposite to be true.. that touch isn't needed on tablets. After all, when you break right down to it.. its all the same digital programs. Trying to claim touch is needed on one device, but on the other its not.. just seems silly.

    Kind of like...

    Click image for larger version

    Well, that was well misinterpreted.

    If you'd been following my posts, you'd have seen that I own both a smart-phone and a tablet.

    On THEM, touch is fine.

    On the desktop, it's as useful as a third nipple. If that.

    What IS silly is forcing an unwanted and unnecessary paradigm where it is neither needed nor wanted.

    You compute your way, I'll compute mine.

    But do not suggest that my way is 'wrong' because it's different to yours.

    As a user and enthusiast with over thirty years experience, I find that both patronising and condescending.


    Wenda.
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  7. #187


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Hands up everyone that finds it difficult to use a keyboard and mouse with Windows 8.
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  8. #188


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    LOL.
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  9. #189


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    It's no more difficult than using any other OS with a mouse/keyboard, and I have plenty to compare it with.

    I've been using it that way, without a problem, since the CP.

    **Folds arms under table, clutches mouse in death-grip.**
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  10. #190


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Difficult - or ANNOYING. Unless one is avoiding the MPI or NCI completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Hands up everyone that finds it difficult to use a keyboard and mouse with Windows 8.
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