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  1. #151


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post

    Apple is in full denial mode that touch should ever be considered for a laptop or PC and scared absolutely shitless that it might actually catch on. Their hope is that both the laptops and PC's are being phased out and they can simply focus on new designs while maintaining iOS.
    Interesting perspective. I consider Apple to be the company that basically ushered in the acceptance of the touch interface in the iPod, iPhone and iPad.
    I know.. right? It shocked me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I think they are right at present about touch not being right for desktops or laptops.
    At present, you are correct. Of course, this is also the crew that thought they could slapdash a Maps app together like it was nothing. In the future, desktop applications are going to be built around and specifically for touch, just like the mobile apps. Microsoft has been building to it for years. Touch didn't suddenly just show up as something in Windows 8, that was simply the op sys that introduced it on the GUI level. Its been integrated with the .NET libraries for a while now. Its not something you just slap together overnight and go BOOM.. OS now has true integrated touch.. TA DA! Even after you do that, companies are going to need to redesign the popular desktop applications to truly take advantage of the capability as not even rudimentary control ability with touch has been accounted for.

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    My thoughts are that Apple is breathing a sigh of relief that Windows 8 didn't take the world by storm. They certainly cannot sit back and ignore what is happening, but I certainly do look forward to their response. We need a different touch environment as the one we have today is just MEH.
    I honestly think Microsoft knew how polarizing it would be if you didn't have a touchscreen on your desktop(which, like 95% of people probably don't). Hence, why they got 7 rock-solid before going the full monty on touch. It isn't going to be anymore pleasant(or profitable) a process for Apple either... but if they don't go through the retrofit, if/when Microsoft gets on the other side of the conversion, Apple will be hopelessly behind. When you deal with the business, it isn't always sunshine and pumpernickel jackpot profit devices, there is a lot of grinding that goes on too. If you aren't up for it, you'll get taken apart over time, no matter how many devices you sell. One generation's winner may be the next generation's loser.. and generations are getting awfully short these days.

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  2. #152


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    The issue that I see is whether Microsoft is simply trying to introduce touch as an alternative pointing method, which has it's place, or whether they are trying to get rid of the desktop completely in favour of some unknown alternative that emulates the current apps. If they are trying to blend the two into an indivisible system, then I think they are headed to a colossal fail.

    As I said before, the desktop, regardless of how it's implemented, must still be available and provide the functionality of the desktop as we know it today. It must retain what we know to be 'windows', not a 'window', as many are now calling Windows 8. It must also retain the ability to use a mouse, keyboard, pointing device, whatever.

    I, personally, simply don't see touch as that big a deal. I have it available on numerous devices, but often find the traditional methods just fine. Take this device as an example: Ube WiFi Smart Dimmer to receive customized multitouch gesture control. Do you really need a touch device of this design to control things around the home?
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  3. #153


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Apple already has a cohesive touch environment in iOS. There really is over little work required to bring their desktop environ,sent up to speed, and when the do, they will already have a the richest app store around to support it.
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  4. #154


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    Apple already has a cohesive touch environment in iOS. There really is over little work required to bring their desktop environ,sent up to speed, and when the do, they will already have a the richest app store around to support it.
    Tim Cook
    He added, “You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator, but those things are probably not going to be pleasing to the user.”
    Without referring to Microsoft directly, he said that “others” might take that approach “from a defensive point of view.” However, he said, ”we’re not going to that party.”
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  5. #155


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The issue that I see is whether Microsoft is simply trying to introduce touch as an alternative pointing method, which has it's place, or whether they are trying to get rid of the desktop completely in favour of some unknown alternative that emulates the current apps. If they are trying to blend the two into an indivisible system, then I think they are headed to a colossal fail.

    As I said before, the desktop, regardless of how it's implemented, must still be available and provide the functionality of the desktop as we know it today. It must retain what we know to be 'windows', not a 'window', as many are now calling Windows 8. It must also retain the ability to use a mouse, keyboard, pointing device, whatever.

    I, personally, simply don't see touch as that big a deal. I have it available on numerous devices, but often find the traditional methods just fine. Take this device as an example: Ube WiFi Smart Dimmer to receive customized multitouch gesture control. Do you really need a touch device of this design to control things around the home?
    Aren't you the guy who bought a Windows 7 tablet. If you believe everything you just said, why did you buy a tablet.
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  6. #156


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The issue that I see is whether Microsoft is simply trying to introduce touch as an alternative pointing method, which has it's place, or whether they are trying to get rid of the desktop completely in favour of some unknown alternative that emulates the current apps. If they are trying to blend the two into an indivisible system, then I think they are headed to a colossal fail.

    As I said before, the desktop, regardless of how it's implemented, must still be available and provide the functionality of the desktop as we know it today. It must retain what we know to be 'windows', not a 'window', as many are now calling Windows 8. It must also retain the ability to use a mouse, keyboard, pointing device, whatever.

    I, personally, simply don't see touch as that big a deal. I have it available on numerous devices, but often find the traditional methods just fine. Take this device as an example: Ube WiFi Smart Dimmer to receive customized multitouch gesture control. Do you really need a touch device of this design to control things around the home?
    Aren't you the guy who bought a Windows 7 tablet. If you believe everything you just said, why did you buy a tablet.
    Bill, for someone who purports to be in the 50+ age group, you more often than not sound like someone in the +/-15 age group.

    Not trying to offend, but you don't appear to have any capacity to think broadly or laterally, which is a capability that one gains with age (before one starts to go senile), where pre-teens (and often post-teens) just have tunnel vision and no ability to think beyond simple concepts.

    If you are actually in the +/-15 age group, pretending to be an adult, you're fast heading to a point where you'll have both feet in your mouth, while shooting yourself in the foot. You can only keep up a pretence for so long.
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  7. #157


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The issue that I see is whether Microsoft is simply trying to introduce touch as an alternative pointing method, which has it's place, or whether they are trying to get rid of the desktop completely in favour of some unknown alternative that emulates the current apps. If they are trying to blend the two into an indivisible system, then I think they are headed to a colossal fail.

    As I said before, the desktop, regardless of how it's implemented, must still be available and provide the functionality of the desktop as we know it today. It must retain what we know to be 'windows', not a 'window', as many are now calling Windows 8. It must also retain the ability to use a mouse, keyboard, pointing device, whatever.

    I, personally, simply don't see touch as that big a deal. I have it available on numerous devices, but often find the traditional methods just fine. Take this device as an example: Ube WiFi Smart Dimmer to receive customized multitouch gesture control. Do you really need a touch device of this design to control things around the home?
    Aren't you the guy who bought a Windows 7 tablet. If you believe everything you just said, why did you buy a tablet.
    Bill, for someone who purports to be in the 50+ age group, you more often than not sound like someone in the +/-15 age group.

    Not trying to offend, but you don't appear to have any capacity to think broadly or laterally, which is a capability that one gains with age (before one starts to go senile), where pre-teens (and often post-teens) just have tunnel vision and no ability to think beyond simple concepts.

    If you are actually in the +/-15 age group, pretending to be an adult, you're fast heading to a point where you'll have both feet in your mouth, while shooting yourself in the foot. You can only keep up a pretence for so long.
    Why is it that every time I ask you something you start blathering.
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  8. #158


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    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    I will not agree to either side of this debut on touch; only because neither side can win.

    The reason I say that is because of where touch has gone in the last few years. And, to see that direction just tune into any sports TV station (ESPN, CBS Sports, NBC Sports, NFL Network, etc. I am sure over countries have their own such sports channels). Also news stations all over the globe use touch TV. The purpose for using touch is because it is much more effective then using a mouse and keyboard. Also doing Corporate presentations and speeches touch makes a presentation much easier to do then the standard keyboard and mouse.

    Touch is here and has been for some time, hence it is not going away. The sooner Apple, and others who are resisting moving in that direction see what is happening the easier it will be in the future for them to move into the world of touch.
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  9. #159


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    I am not sure Apple are resisting. Their bestsellers rely on it.

    Looks like they don't think it is best for vertical screens getting a lot of use.

    That is different from presentations, cash point machines and so on.
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  10. #160


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Aren't you the guy who bought a Windows 7 tablet. If you believe everything you just said, why did you buy a tablet.
    Bill, for someone who purports to be in the 50+ age group, you more often than not sound like someone in the +/-15 age group.

    Not trying to offend, but you don't appear to have any capacity to think broadly or laterally, which is a capability that one gains with age (before one starts to go senile), where pre-teens (and often post-teens) just have tunnel vision and no ability to think beyond simple concepts.

    If you are actually in the +/-15 age group, pretending to be an adult, you're fast heading to a point where you'll have both feet in your mouth, while shooting yourself in the foot. You can only keep up a pretence for so long.
    Why is it that every time I ask you something you start blathering.
    The inability to articulate a cohesive argument suggests that whatever the true nature of the individual, they have reached their capacity. Not that I'm implying anything, but it just reminds me of this old photo:

    Click image for larger version
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