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  1. #131


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    Once again Bill, your mind confuses and converts everything into just black and white; you are unable to see any shades of grey. I also think that you're unable to comprehend what people actually say, conjuring up words and meanings that were never stated. You thus end up building misconceptions of immense proportions, which in no way reflects what has really been stated. It's as if you were living in an alternative reality.

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  2. #132


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Once again Bill, your mind confuses and converts everything into just black and white; you are unable to see any shades of grey. I also think that you're unable to comprehend what people actually say, conjuring up words and meanings that were never stated. You thus end up building misconceptions of immense proportions, which in no way reflects what has really been stated. It's as if you were living in an alternative reality.
    Do you really want me to go back and find all the derogatory remarks and collate them into one comment Ray, because I'm tempted. I don't think I will it'd be too easy to refute what you're saying now..

    I don't easily get confused Ray. Just be careful what you wish for.
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  3. #133


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    Exactly


    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    That's always going to be a problem with tablets although you can add some extra storage via a micro card in some cases. Maybe they are seen by the manufacturers as disposable pieces of kit. So after a couple of years throw it away and buy new again.
    That is the exact market MS is aiming at.

    Like the mobile phone users who throw away their perfectly good phones, every 6 months, because a new version has been released.
    They probably repurchase all of their "Apps" again too.
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  4. #134


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The funniest thing on here is people criticising touch, do you realise there's a huge number of Apple people wanting touch on their MacBooks.
    Good Luck With That.

    Apple is in full denial mode that touch should ever be considered for a laptop or PC and scared absolutely shitless that it might actually catch on. Their hope is that both the laptops and PC's are being phased out and they can simply focus on new designs while maintaining iOS.

    Why are they scared? Because it isn't going to be an easy thing to fix. It will take a lot of time and manpower.

    The longer they take to come to their senses, the worse off they will be. Right now, the PC is pretty much fully converted over on the op sys level and it won't be too long before smart developers start inverting their programs.

    What do i mean by inverting? Traditional Desktop Applications built for Mouse and Keyboard are built 180 degree different from touch and pen. Let me give you an example. Take one of the most traditional 'first' applications you downloaded for the PC.. winamp.

    The way Winamp was built is as a representation of your stereo whose purpose is to play one song. It provides ways of being able to modify the fidelity of the output along with the secondary ability to build a playlist. A touchscreen application of the same tool is done exactly the opposite. Instead of the application being a representation of a stereo, your application is a representation of your PLAYLIST. All of your data comes to the front, and all of your controls that act upon those objects get pushed to the back with the exception of a couple key ones(play and stop, etc).

    In essence, the GUI gets turned inside/out. Windows Media Center is a good representation of this. If you need to adjust the fidelity while a song is playing, you can.. but the songs and the playlist take precedence over the controls to adjust its play. As such, it makes for an easier touchscreen interface as opposed to having a sea of controls to modify a single loaded file.
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  5. #135


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Once again Bill, your mind confuses and converts everything into just black and white; you are unable to see any shades of grey. I also think that you're unable to comprehend what people actually say, conjuring up words and meanings that were never stated. You thus end up building misconceptions of immense proportions, which in no way reflects what has really been stated. It's as if you were living in an alternative reality.
    Do you really want me to go back and find all the derogatory remarks and collate them into one comment Ray, because I'm tempted. I don't think I will it'd be too easy to refute what you're saying now..

    I don't easily get confused Ray. Just be careful what you wish for.
    Do so, but make certain that you provide a reference link for each comment you quote, or else it won't be valid. The context of anything you quote will also be required, just snipping out some words like many news broadcasters do to infer something other than what was meant, will not be acceptable.

    Remember also that you have stated that I have wished the following to happen:

    ...Windows 8 will fail, Surface will fail, WP 8 will fail, Microsoft Office will fail and you'll get Windows 7 back, and Steve Balmer will be working in a Chinese Laundry.
    That is what you have to prove. If you fail in this mission, you will be forever shamed and your credibility will be worth less than it is now.
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  6. #136


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    That's always going to be a problem with tablets although you can add some extra storage via a micro card in some cases. Maybe they are seen by the manufacturers as disposable pieces of kit. So after a couple of years throw it away and buy new again.
    That is the exact market MS is aiming at.

    Like the mobile phone users who throw away their perfectly good phones, every 6 months, because a new version has been released.
    They probably repurchase all of their "Apps" again too.
    Apps are tied to the user, not a device. You can have the same app on any device you own.
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  7. #137


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    That's always going to be a problem with tablets although you can add some extra storage via a micro card in some cases. Maybe they are seen by the manufacturers as disposable pieces of kit. So after a couple of years throw it away and buy new again.
    That is the exact market MS is aiming at.

    Like the mobile phone users who throw away their perfectly good phones, every 6 months, because a new version has been released.
    They probably repurchase all of their "Apps" again too.
    Apps are tied to the user, not a device. You can have the same app on any device you own.
    Ray you claim I don't have any credibility, meanwhile you make claims like the ones above, absolutely absurd remarks. All my comments are based on fact, I don't know what you're comments are based on.
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  8. #138


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post

    That is the exact market MS is aiming at.

    Like the mobile phone users who throw away their perfectly good phones, every 6 months, because a new version has been released.
    They probably repurchase all of their "Apps" again too.
    Apps are tied to the user, not a device. You can have the same app on any device you own.
    Ray you claim I don't have any credibility, meanwhile you make claims like the ones above, absolutely absurd remarks. All my comments are based on fact, I don't know what you're comments are based on.
    Once again, you prove precisely what I'm suggesting about comprehension etc.

    I said:

    ...your credibility will be worth less than it is now.
    That statement reflects that your credibility will be diminished. It does not say that you have no credibility.

    Additionally, note who said what:

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Apps are tied to the user, not a device. You can have the same app on any device you own.
    Are you certain that you're ready for the challenge that you threw down?
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  9. #139


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    While doing some audio work this weekend, got sitting down talking to another one of the audio guys. We got chatting about computers, as he does some programming, network security stuff, and web development in addition to audio stuff.

    He asks me whether or not I had a MacBook. I said no, I wasn't really an Apple guy myself. He shook his head and said, "so you are stuck with the PC then". I said, "well, I'm not Stuck with a PC", but rather making a conscious decision to use a PC as it meets my needs". He said, "I used to think like you prior to buying my MacBook, but after getting this Mac I wouldn't want to go back. You won't know what it's like until you give it a shot either".

    So, it's really an odd feeling for me, in this creative arts area of music production and live audio mixing, everybody seems to have an iPad, Macbook and iPhone. They actually view me as the "non-techie" of the group who is stuck using an Android and Windows. Nevermind the fact that I make a living in computers, and am certified across multiple platforms.

    MS certainly has an uphill battle with this group of people.
    If Mac desktops and laptops had any considerable market share this opinion would mean something, but considering in 12 years Apple has only amassed 7% market share it means very little. Even at Windows 8's market pace they will surpass Mac OSX this year which is sad for OSX. Apple doesn't care, their money makers are all mobile devices in iPod, iPhones and iPads and they keep desktops and laptops for their cult followers. I've had a MacBook for 3.5 years, I shelved it 3 years ago and it hasn't moved since because I don't like OSX, I find it annoying to use.
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  10. #140


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post

    Apple is in full denial mode that touch should ever be considered for a laptop or PC and scared absolutely shitless that it might actually catch on. Their hope is that both the laptops and PC's are being phased out and they can simply focus on new designs while maintaining iOS.
    Interesting perspective. I consider Apple to be the company that basically ushered in the acceptance of the touch interface in the iPod, iPhone and iPad. I think they are right at present about touch not being right for desktops or laptops.

    My thoughts are that Apple is breathing a sigh of relief that Windows 8 didn't take the world by storm. They certainly cannot sit back and ignore what is happening, but I certainly do look forward to their response. We need a different touch environment as the one we have today is just MEH.
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