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  1. #111


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    It's interesting that when someone attempts to show what tablets are used for, they invariably display an iPad or Android tablet. On the weekend, two iPad and one Android user were doing exactly as illustrated holding the tablet in one hand and playing card games or browsing the internet.

    The other Android user has a protector with keyboard and was using it more like a laptop, as were the Windows tablet users. But by contrast, they weren't playing card games etc, but were doing work more associated with laptops, where a keyboard and mouse (the two Windows users had wireless mouse) were important.

    But what do the three using their tablets like laptops know about tablets, they were doing it wrong.

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    P.S. Those two links reflect exactly what I've been saying since well before Christmas last year. Reality is beginning to hit and RT is seen for what it is and the early adopters are joined by those needing new devices, who are finding Windows 8 an absolute crock to use. And the iPad examples just keep proving the point (thanks for the photo of the typical iPad user).

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  2. #112


    While doing some audio work this weekend, got sitting down talking to another one of the audio guys. We got chatting about computers, as he does some programming, network security stuff, and web development in addition to audio stuff.

    He asks me whether or not I had a MacBook. I said no, I wasn't really an Apple guy myself. He shook his head and said, "so you are stuck with the PC then". I said, "well, I'm not Stuck with a PC", but rather making a conscious decision to use a PC as it meets my needs". He said, "I used to think like you prior to buying my MacBook, but after getting this Mac I wouldn't want to go back. You won't know what it's like until you give it a shot either".

    So, it's really an odd feeling for me, in this creative arts area of music production and live audio mixing, everybody seems to have an iPad, Macbook and iPhone. They actually view me as the "non-techie" of the group who is stuck using an Android and Windows. Nevermind the fact that I make a living in computers, and am certified across multiple platforms.

    MS certainly has an uphill battle with this group of people.
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  3. #113


    Those that like tablets, keep taking them, but nobody will ever tell me they are better than laptops or pcs. They are just 'flash look at me on the bus', gizmo's. I passed a bus recently as I drove to work, the people used to sit there reading papers, now you see their fingers flashing across these iddy biddy screens - to my mind they are just trying to 'look cool' ................... do not impress me!
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  4. #114


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    They buy these things.

    Not many seem to be buying them with 8 on.
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  5. #115


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    So, it's really an odd feeling for me, in this creative arts area of music production and live audio mixing, everybody seems to have an iPad, Macbook and iPhone
    Yes, that is what is like with creatives - hard to find any with windows. Advertising, photography - those areas.
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  6. #116


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    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    While doing some audio work this weekend, got sitting down talking to another one of the audio guys. We got chatting about computers, as he does some programming, network security stuff, and web development in addition to audio stuff.

    He asks me whether or not I had a MacBook. I said no, I wasn't really an Apple guy myself. He shook his head and said, "so you are stuck with the PC then". I said, "well, I'm not Stuck with a PC", but rather making a conscious decision to use a PC as it meets my needs". He said, "I used to think like you prior to buying my MacBook, but after getting this Mac I wouldn't want to go back. You won't know what it's like until you give it a shot either".

    So, it's really an odd feeling for me, in this creative arts area of music production and live audio mixing, everybody seems to have an iPad, Macbook and iPhone. They actually view me as the "non-techie" of the group who is stuck using an Android and Windows. Nevermind the fact that I make a living in computers, and am certified across multiple platforms.

    MS certainly has an uphill battle with this group of people.
    They will never win over this group. I know someone that works for a television network and everything is Apple - whether it's laptop, phone, desktop, etc. Fortunately for MS it is a relatively small group in the scheme of things. What is interesting is that these folks never even question whether there is anything better outside of the fruit company.
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  7. #117


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    What's the surface Pro like with a conventional Wireless or Blue tooth keyboard -- I don't think I'd like the Ms folding one that comes with the device.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Works same as with a PC. You'd just pop the kickstand out and the KB and mouse could be anywhere, use the typical Bluetooth activation procedure(holding in like the power for a couple seconds to get a 6 minute window for the computer to recognize it and install the driver) to get the computer to recognize them. You wouldn't do it that way from your lap, obviously. If you're sitting in a chair, you'll go tablet. But like at a table top, the Surface Wedge Mouse that has touch on the top for scrolling in combination with clicks is wireless Bluetooth.
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  8. #118


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    [QUOTE=Wenda;205939]
    Let's say that the Surface Pro is the Ferrari of the tablet world, as some seem to believe, you aren't going to sell many Ferraris, but you will sell lots of pickup trucks, the latter being cheaper, more functional and easier to maintain. That's what it'll boil down to. And what are the pickup trucks of the computing world? I'd suggest laptops; cheaper, more functional and easier to maintain.
    HMM wacky transportation analogy INBOUND!

    Pure Tablets(iPad style) = very small compact cars. Yugos, Mini Cooper, etc. Very small, cheap and inexpensive ways of getting around.

    Laptops = Passenger cars. Workhouses, they get you around. You might have small passenger cars and bigger ones, depending on capability.

    PC's = 18-wheelers(the full tower case variety). The smaller more compact variety(like the mac mini) being pickup trucks.

    Where does the Surface Pro come in? Lol... you can say its a sports car like a Ferrari, but really its more of a melding of the passenger cars(both the compact and regular size, with the smaller 18-wheelers(pickup trucks)).

    Or what the Australians call a UTE, what the Americans know as an El Camino :>.

    Haha. God i can't believe i just said that.
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  9. #119


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    The only thing that kills the ute aspect with the Surface is that is cannot be customised (or added to) in any way, what you see is what you get. That's kind of what I was alluding to, it has no inherent versatility, which is much the same for most tablets.

    With a ute (or pickup truck), you can install canopies, roof racks, towbars, bullbars, driving lights, bigger tyres, the list goes on. You can't do any of that with a Ferrari, it might go fast and impress the girls, but that's it.
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  10. #120


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    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    as far as laptops are concerned I take my 11.5 inch ACER Aspire V105 i3 laptop when travelling rather than a huge powerful i7 17 inch monster -- in fact the i7 powered best just sits in a corner at home gathering dust -- I'll probably give it away to some deserving school / individual or whatever.

    Upgrading the Acer to 8GB RAM and swapping the HDD for an SSD allows me to run anything I want on it and the HDMI out gives good HD resolution on a large monitor. Having a USB3 port is also great as well as an SD card slot -- I have a 32 GB micro sd card in this (via an SD ==>micro sd adapter).

    This laptop initially with the 6GB RAM and a 500GB drive (which I now use as an external one via USB / SATA adapter) cost me 320 GBP from a Curry's Digital store store in the UK - Arndale center Manchester --Not the cheapest place to buy either (260 GBP when I got the UK's VAT back). So the cost to me for a decent laptop was less than 500 USD. I really haven't done anything where I actually NEED the i7 power on my other HUGE laptop and this one is thin, light and infinitely more portable.

    Curry's digital and PC world are the same group in the UK BTW.

    ACER Aspire V5-171 11.6" Laptop - Silver Deals | Pcworld

    (Remember if you are from outside the UK prices always INCLUDE VAT which is 20% in the UK).

    Now I can't see why I would get a surface pro rather than continue with the laptop.

    If I were buying NOW I'd look at the surface pro but it still doesn't seem to me to be a viable proposition when you look at fully featured 11.5 inch laptops out there. It would cost me 300 - 400 USD MORE for less functionality -- at best the same functionality -- plus throw a keyboard in -- that's another chunk of dosh.

    For the laptop I use a small portable Wireless Icelandic keyboard -- cost 18 USD.

    Maybe by next Xmas if prices move in the right direction I'll visit the tablet scene again --however I'm not biting at the moment -- and this is largely based on PRICE so I'll have to agree with Ray8 here.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Good point made and I've upgraded my three year old Samsung X460 with a 250gb SSD. Only thing is I wish it had USB3 but I cannot see any reason for changing it. Now if all I wanted to do was a bit of e-mailing, web browsing, social networking then maybe I'd grab a cheap tablet when I'm away from base. But I'm involved with web site management so a tablet simply wouldn't hack it and that's without not getting any gain from emptying my wallet.
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