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  1. #91


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Touch is not ready yet, so who's going to tell us when it's ready, you. Millions of people around the world use touch, yet you say it's not ready, what does it need to be ready.
    I'm not in a position to say for sure, but obviously as Microsoft is undergoing a major overhaul on the UI to make it touch centric, means we aren't completely there yet. Websites and applications all need to be touch aware and touch enhanced. Right now, many of us works mainly in the 'classic desktop' and with classic apps and touch isn't the be-all-end-all for many of us.



    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I use a tablet for most of my Internet adventures and my responses on forums, why on earth would I need a laptop. I pick up my tablet in one hand it's on, within one or 2 seconds I'm on Eightforums and reading. Another 2 seconds and I'm reading all Ray8s posts and responding with one finger, what's better than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I pick up my tablet in one hand it's on, within one or 2 seconds I'm on Eightforums and reading. Another 2 seconds and I'm reading all Ray8s posts and responding with one finger, what's better than that.
    I'm unsure how quickly you type with 1 finger, but I think I probably type a whole heck of a lot faster with a full keyboard. And with a very limited number of onscreen characters, typing something like [/quote] is a real pain on tablet.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Well I guess the best way to find out if its logical is to ask the roughly 200 million tablet owners. I'll explain it this way, what's the best way to hold a smartphone, one hand, a bigger smartphone, one hand, a phablet, one hand, a tablet, one hand, a 17" laptop, two hands, a 15" laptop, two hands, any laptop, two hands.
    I don't think too many people stand, holding their laptops and type. But laptops can sit on our lap, we can adjust and maintain the angle between the physical keyboard and the screen. It's much easier for me to hold my laptop or chromebook on my laptop or while I am sitting in bed than it is to use a tablet and try to type up a response like this.



    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I think the problem on this forum, not enough understand tablets and what they're used for.
    Righto, but the Surface Pro thows a monkey wrench into the mix as it's a fully functional Windows 8 PC in a tablet form factor. And with that it comes at the same price point as a fully functional Windows 8 PC. So, I think some of us are struggling to determine the specific purpose of this device.

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  2. #92


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    Jimbo wrote:-
    Hi there
    as far as laptops are concerned I take my 11.5 inch ACER Aspire V105 i3 laptop when travelling rather than a huge powerful i7 17 inch monster -- in fact the i7 powered best just sits in a corner at home gathering dust -- I'll probably give it away to some deserving school / individual or whatever.
    That was kinda the point I was trying to make, basically. If my tab isn't powerful enough for my mobile needs (rarely) I use my 15.6" Acer AS5735 Core 2 Duo 2Ghz rather than lugging this very good, very powerful, very expensive and VERY heavy 18.4" i7 'desktop-replacement' machine (Acer AS8951G) around the countryside.

    However, unlike your i7, this one isn't going anywhere. It's my 'heavy lifter' and does all the serious stuff, from writing code (for fun only, I'm not great at HTML or VB, but competent) through to creating databases, photo editing, video editing and encoding, running some of my other OSes in Virtual-Box, and, of course, gaming. It's one of the few laptops (unless you go for Alienware or similar custom-built rigs) that is actually a very competent gaming machine, and it also serves (with WMC, when I get it configged) as my Home Entertainment System. That's where the TWO 750GB hard disks come into their own. It sure doesn't sit around gathering dust, in fact it's running whenever I'm at home and awake. :-)

    It cost me A$2600.00 (yeah, I know) with a BD-ROM drive rather than the BD-RW drive in the one pictured below, but it is a brilliant piece of kit and is worth every penny of it. A superb machine, and one that won't be 'legacy' or a 'dinosaur' for some
    time yet.

    Wenda.
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  3. #93


    The mini is great. Good size and lower cost. My 9.7 inch iPad doesn't even get used anymore.

    If your product is going to get cannibalized, you cant do it any better way than doing it yourself.
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  4. #94


    Mickeysoft change to 8 seems to be too radical for many. Firstly its the made for touchscreen, the icons can be reduced, and I have done, and the desktop is part of the start screen, so no problem there either. But there are some dinosaurs out there who cannot seem to be able to accept change. My advice, for what its worth, is take time out, customise the front page, you can delete easily what you do not want in there, right click select unpin. And by right clicking on start screen go into apps and you can alternatively pin there to start menu. The more I persevered, the easier it became, my machine is multi user, wifey picked it up quickly, daughter hates it. I just say click on desktop icon and carry on as if nothing has happened!!
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  5. #95


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    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    Mickeysoft change to 8 seems to be too radical for many. Firstly its the made for touchscreen, the icons can be reduced, and I have done, and the desktop is part of the start screen, so no problem there either. But there are some dinosaurs out there who cannot seem to be able to accept change. My advice, for what its worth, is take time out, customise the front page, you can delete easily what you do not want in there, right click select unpin. And by right clicking on start screen go into apps and you can alternatively pin there to start menu. The more I persevered, the easier it became, my machine is multi user, wifey picked it up quickly, daughter hates it. I just say click on desktop icon and carry on as if nothing has happened!!
    Hi there

    "Vivat ad modem vivendi".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #97


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Well I guess the best way to find out if its logical is to ask the roughly 200 million tablet owners. I'll explain it this way, what's the best way to hold a smartphone, one hand, a bigger smartphone, one hand, a phablet, one hand, a tablet, one hand, a 17" laptop, two hands, a 15" laptop, two hands, any laptop, two hands.

    I think the problem on this forum, not enough understand tablets and what they're used for.
    200 million...yawn. Puny numbers compared to the billion and a half pc & laptop users... but that's not the point.

    What baffles me, and the point you pretend not to get, is how having to hold something to use it, is easier than a device that just sits there while you use it, requiring no appendage use just to hold it up.

    And for the record, I have both a tablet & a smart phone. I bought the 32g touchpad during the firesale, and I have a Galaxy S3.
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    Hi there
    even if it DOES fail it's by no means a death knell. Sometimes you make products that just don't cut it first time around -- for example what about the Minidisc -- it actually had everything going for it -- small form factor, high quality digital record AND play back, Direct access, same quality of sound as a CD and far far better than the "Tape walkman's". However it never really made it big time into the consumer market especially in the USA -- cassette tapes continued for ages and the CD is still not yet dead.

    If you never bring stuff to market you'll never succeed as a business. Sometimes the most successful business people are those that have gone Bankrupt two or three times, learned from the experience and bounced back to start again and launch successful products.

    While Ms isn't even remotely in any danger of going Bankrupt it's still quite new to this game --but give it a while and wait and see.

    The main error of the RT is that it was released BEFORE the flagship model -- you should release the flagship model first and THEN the cheaper "stripped down" versions.

    You whet the publics appetite with a product and then capture the "secondary market" --those people who love the top of the range product but can't quite (or even remotely) afford it -- so they buy into "the experience" with the cheaper product -- look at Samsung with the Galaxy SIII phones -- the Galaxy SIII Mini is very popular here for people who can't afford the full SIII but still want the experience (or most of it).

    BTW the new Galaxy S4 is due to appear this week or very soon -- but from leaked specs the size is getting just a bit TOO large to use it comfortably as a phone -- but for those that want a Galaxy SIII this could be great news as early adoptors will cause the price on the SIII to fall considerably -- and it's STILL a great phone.

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  9. #99


    This may be the reason that Windows 8 is not very popular.

    Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8? | ZDNet
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  10. #100


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    even if it DOES fail it's by no means a death knell. Sometimes you make products that just don't cut it first time around -- for example what about the Minidisc -- it actually had everything going for it -- small form factor, high quality digital record AND play back, Direct access, same quality of sound as a CD and far far better than the "Tape walkman's". However it never really made it big time into the consumer market especially in the USA -- cassette tapes continued for ages and the CD is still not yet dead.

    If you never bring stuff to market you'll never succeed as a business. Sometimes the most successful business people are those that have gone Bankrupt two or three times, learned from the experience and bounced back to start again and launch successful products.

    While Ms isn't even remotely in any danger of going Bankrupt it's still quite new to this game --but give it a while and wait and see.

    The main error of the RT is that it was released BEFORE the flagship model -- you should release the flagship model first and THEN the cheaper "stripped down" versions.

    You whet the publics appetite with a product and then capture the "secondary market" --those people who love the top of the range product but can't quite (or even remotely) afford it -- so they buy into "the experience" with the cheaper product -- look at Samsung with the Galaxy SIII phones -- the Galaxy SIII Mini is very popular here for people who can't afford the full SIII but still want the experience (or most of it).

    BTW the new Galaxy S4 is due to appear this week or very soon -- but from leaked specs the size is getting just a bit TOO large to use it comfortably as a phone -- but for those that want a Galaxy SIII this could be great news as early adoptors will cause the price on the SIII to fall considerably -- and it's STILL a great phone.

    Link shown

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Another reason RT has problems with consumers is that it was called Windows when it could not run legacy programs.
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