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    Microsoft's Office chief hints at new apps for subscribers


    Does this mean non-subscribers don't get any such updates?

    Microsoft's Office 365 Home Premium subscription service debuted recently, and Microsoft is aiming to update it rapidly. Speaking at Microsoft's TechForum event this week, Microsoft's Office president, Kurt DelBene, says the company is "very excited" about how the subscription switch is going so far, but that it's early days to measure its success. DelBene believes the Office team will "move towards a rapid cadence" of updates for its subscription customers. "You can even imagine new applications coming out for the subscription," he hinted, while the company manages a balanced world of subscription vs. perpetual licenses.
    But what's really interesting is:

    On the subject of touch versions of Office, DelBene pointed towards the existing OneNote Windows 8-style app, but he also outlined how Microsoft is looking at the transition to full Windows 8-style versions of Office. "I think certainly the transition of the applications to the new environment, the WinRT environment, will allow us to rethink the applications and we have the benefit of the desktop applications still being present." This transition allows Microsoft to be "forward thinking" and consider "the first sets of features" that will be available "as we move Word, Excel, PowerPoint, to the Windows RT environment," claims DelBene. "What is the experience for that when I know I've got the full applications on the desktop as well?"
    Microsoft's Office chief hints at new apps for subscribers, details the transition to touch | The Verge

    It certainly hints at Microsoft moving completely away from the desktop.

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    It's a good thing I'm a subscriber, I love OneNote, even got it on my HTC OneX and all my iPads. Fantastic for doing grocery shopping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Does this mean non-subscribers don't get any such updates?

    Microsoft's Office 365 Home Premium subscription service debuted recently, and Microsoft is aiming to update it rapidly. Speaking at Microsoft's TechForum event this week, Microsoft's Office president, Kurt DelBene, says the company is "very excited" about how the subscription switch is going so far, but that it's early days to measure its success. DelBene believes the Office team will "move towards a rapid cadence" of updates for its subscription customers. "You can even imagine new applications coming out for the subscription," he hinted, while the company manages a balanced world of subscription vs. perpetual licenses.
    But what's really interesting is:

    On the subject of touch versions of Office, DelBene pointed towards the existing OneNote Windows 8-style app, but he also outlined how Microsoft is looking at the transition to full Windows 8-style versions of Office. "I think certainly the transition of the applications to the new environment, the WinRT environment, will allow us to rethink the applications and we have the benefit of the desktop applications still being present." This transition allows Microsoft to be "forward thinking" and consider "the first sets of features" that will be available "as we move Word, Excel, PowerPoint, to the Windows RT environment," claims DelBene. "What is the experience for that when I know I've got the full applications on the desktop as well?"
    Microsoft's Office chief hints at new apps for subscribers, details the transition to touch | The Verge

    It certainly hints at Microsoft moving completely away from the desktop.
    Apps of Office could be quite helpful for basic editing and viewing of Office documents. Being able to give a pre-generated presentation.

    In general, tablets would go to the idiots in the corporation. People whose job isn't really content creation and may just be filling out forms and processing paperwork for sales. The less they have to interact and 'go deep' into Office, the better. The simpler the interface, the better.. especially given you may want to put this onto a far more reduced screen and CPU Power ala a Surface Mini.

    For people who need to go balls deep into Office, they should stick largely to the normal desktop applications, and they could use a redesign to enhance the touch experience. Whatever wrapper you come up for for the app, you can make a WPF application that does the same for the desktop application except has a lot more access to stuff. You really just limit the app to only the stuff that dumbbells who would use a pure tablet would need.

    Basically -

    Workstations: People tied to the office and used for content creation you want kept in-house. Developers, Engineers, etc.
    Convertibles: People who need them for content creation that might need to go on the road. Managers, Marketing, Convention Folk.
    Pure Tablet: People who simply need to process stuff. Salesmen, Warehouse, Deliveries, etc. would be a good place for stuff like the iPad or any pure tablet.

    You see why i detest pure tablets? I lose IQ points just thinking about them, much less using one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Does this mean non-subscribers don't get any such updates?

    Microsoft's Office 365 Home Premium subscription service debuted recently, and Microsoft is aiming to update it rapidly. Speaking at Microsoft's TechForum event this week, Microsoft's Office president, Kurt DelBene, says the company is "very excited" about how the subscription switch is going so far, but that it's early days to measure its success. DelBene believes the Office team will "move towards a rapid cadence" of updates for its subscription customers. "You can even imagine new applications coming out for the subscription," he hinted, while the company manages a balanced world of subscription vs. perpetual licenses.
    But what's really interesting is:

    On the subject of touch versions of Office, DelBene pointed towards the existing OneNote Windows 8-style app, but he also outlined how Microsoft is looking at the transition to full Windows 8-style versions of Office. "I think certainly the transition of the applications to the new environment, the WinRT environment, will allow us to rethink the applications and we have the benefit of the desktop applications still being present." This transition allows Microsoft to be "forward thinking" and consider "the first sets of features" that will be available "as we move Word, Excel, PowerPoint, to the Windows RT environment," claims DelBene. "What is the experience for that when I know I've got the full applications on the desktop as well?"
    Microsoft's Office chief hints at new apps for subscribers, details the transition to touch | The Verge

    It certainly hints at Microsoft moving completely away from the desktop.
    Apps of Office could be quite helpful for basic editing and viewing of Office documents. Being able to give a pre-generated presentation.

    In general, tablets would go to the idiots in the corporation. People whose job isn't really content creation and may just be filling out forms and processing paperwork for sales. The less they have to interact and 'go deep' into Office, the better. The simpler the interface, the better.. especially given you may want to put this onto a far more reduced screen and CPU Power ala a Surface Mini.

    For people who need to go balls deep into Office, they should stick largely to the normal desktop applications, and they could use a redesign to enhance the touch experience. Whatever wrapper you come up for for the app, you can make a WPF application that does the same for the desktop application except has a lot more access to stuff. You really just limit the app to only the stuff that dumbbells who would use a pure tablet would need.

    Basically -

    Workstations: People tied to the office and used for content creation you want kept in-house. Developers, Engineers, etc.
    Convertibles: People who need them for content creation that might need to go on the road. Managers, Marketing, Convention Folk.
    Pure Tablet: People who simply need to process stuff. Salesmen, Warehouse, Deliveries, etc. would be a good place for stuff like the iPad or any pure tablet.

    You see why i detest pure tablets? I lose IQ points just thinking about them, much less using one.
    I think your slant on tablets is a bit off, even iPads are fairly capable machines, just crippled. The new Surface Pro tablets are in no way crippled, so they're in fact a laptop without a keyboard. Can you do real work on them, of course you can, and don't forget Windows 8 type tablets aren't just restricted to 10" they go up to 20" and over.

    Years ago people got work done on small monitors and much less powerful CPUs, the Surface Pro is way more powerful than any of those computers. I was setting up databases on an old 486 dX2 66, I'm pretty sure I could do that now on a Surface Pro.

    Maybe you've got a different idea as to what a tablet is.
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    I have a pretty good view of the tablets. And the Surface Pro you can get a keyboard that was designed for it. Few people don't buy one without the other. Not sure what you mean by the 20" and over. I can certainly hook it up to any monitor through the mini-Display Port(and actually use a higher resolution if the monitor supports it).

    The pure tablet of the form of the iPad or iPad Mini is simply designed to run stripped-down applications. It has its place, and for some people thats all that is needed. But to me, pure tablets were designed from the ground up for end-users that weren't that bright. If i need someone to take orders face-to-face on a showroom floor for that personal touch, an ipad(or RT) is ideal. With little training, the dimmest of bulbs is a power user in a puddle of mediocrity. I have yet to see anyone who uses pure tablets as their primary means of interfacing with the computing world to be some type of bright light.

    The Elderly? For them its Awesome.
    Housewives? For them its Awesome.

    There is a reason they are selling a bunch of them and it isn't because tech people are buying them. Its because most people aren't tech people.

    What were they doing when we were setting up databases on an old 486 dx2 66? Watching soap operas, doing mundane jobs, etc.

    Now we call them ipad users. Whats fairly interesting about how 'the ecosystem' is shaking out is that by and large, where you are in that ecosystem device-wise tends to say a lot about a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    I have a pretty good view of the tablets. And the Surface Pro you can get a keyboard that was designed for it. Few people don't buy one without the other. Not sure what you mean by the 20" and over. I can certainly hook it up to any monitor through the mini-Display Port(and actually use a higher resolution if the monitor supports it).

    The pure tablet of the form of the iPad or iPad Mini is simply designed to run stripped-down applications. It has its place, and for some people thats all that is needed. But to me, pure tablets were designed from the ground up for end-users that weren't that bright. If i need someone to take orders face-to-face on a showroom floor for that personal touch, an ipad(or RT) is ideal. With little training, the dimmest of bulbs is a power user in a puddle of mediocrity. I have yet to see anyone who uses pure tablets as their primary means of interfacing with the computing world to be some type of bright light.

    The Elderly? For them its Awesome.
    Housewives? For them its Awesome.

    There is a reason they are selling a bunch of them and it isn't because tech people are buying them. Its because most people aren't tech people.

    What were they doing when we were setting up databases on an old 486 dx2 66? Watching soap operas, doing mundane jobs, etc.

    Now we call them ipad users. Whats fairly interesting about how 'the ecosystem' is shaking out is that by and large, where you are in that ecosystem device-wise tends to say a lot about a person.
    No there really are 20" tablets, Panasonic and Sony make them and I'm sure others do as well, I don't know how they go in your back pocket, but there you go.
    There are all kinds of Professionals that have a need for large touch devices, but that's the good thing about Windows 8, no restrictions like IOS.
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    Hi there
    The world is LITTERED by software that starts out as EXCELLENT and then just becomes too bloated for words so that the original purpose is lost.

    For example NERO was the "De-facto" DVD / CD burning program --then they bundled it with all sorts of Video / multi-media stuff which most users didn't actually want until finally they saw the error of their ways and went back to their roots with a "Nero Lite" or "Kwik burn" or similar. Of course by then the damage had been done and with the diminishing use of DVD and CD's who needs or even uses that stuff any more. A lot of modern laptops don't even have a DVD drive any more.

    Another culprit as the old Firefox browser -- so many addons etc it just became far too complex to maintain and install although when it was originally released (started out from the ashes of Netscape) it was a very good browser and beat the early versions of IE hands down.

    I think I like Office the way it is -- a clean discrete set of office tools -- bloating it with extra applications for "every man and his dog" sounds like it will soon go into "over bloat mode".

    Basic things like Spread sheets, a decent email client, presentations and word processing are all one really needs in an office suite.

    The enterprise version usually includes publisher and Access --- I don't really know of many people who use publisher a great deal if at all --for press work there are a lot of better solutions -- and ACCESS is a HIDEOUS flakey type of DB. Freebies like MySQL are so much better and robust if you want a Database -- and for really simple databases you could use EXCEL anyway.

    So I'll stick with the current office format.

    At work we often use LYNC for collaboration -- it's fine but still nothing IMO is as good as the old fashioned "Netmeeting" which ran on XP -- so even new features aren't always an improvement on old applications.

    @charisa
    You can even get decent keyboards for mobile phone -- which work on tablets too if they are blue tooth enabled. I often (like now) plug a mobile phone (Galaxy IIIs) into a large monitor (24 inch LCD TV I'm using currently) with an HDMI phone adapter and a folding blue tooth keyboard to type replies to the forums. Saves getting out the computer when I'm in a Hotel etc.

    I'm not really a tablet type of person since I can manage quite nicely without one -- this could change however if prices come down a bit. I don't see for myself anything an iPad could do that I can't do on a phone - especially if it's connected to a nice large monitor and equipped with a proper keyboard.

    For things like Photoshop I wouldn't even THINK of looking at an iPad -- without a decent large screen, powerful processor, a decent pen AND OODLES OF SCRATCH STORAGE forget trying to produce say a good commercial A3 or even a bigger A2 size professional print from a fully professional DSLR or even a digital MF camera. The file sizes can get Huge with many layers -- without plenty of storage a tablet wouldn't have a hope no matter how powerful the CPU is.

    A decent laptop can manage this especially if it is connected to a large screen and has several USB ports preferably USB3. The problem with even a tablet like the surface pro is that you'd need several USB devices and you'd have to connect them via a Hub. For typical home situations connecting several disks to the same hub is OK but if you are producing a LOT of commercial quality photos etc the USB hub would be a severe bottleneck and performance would be TERRIBLE.

    Some things still need a "Computer" in the old fashioned sense of the word.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    A decent laptop can manage this especially if it is connected to a large screen and has several USB ports preferably USB3. The problem with even a tablet like the surface pro is that you'd need several USB devices and you'd have to connect them via a Hub. For typical home situations connecting several disks to the same hub is OK but if you are producing a LOT of commercial quality photos etc the USB hub would be a severe bottleneck and performance would be TERRIBLE.

    Some things still need a "Computer" in the old fashioned sense of the word.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Then you just get the Dock and a GoFlex-Home-NAS or a Business-NAS. There are plenty options to avoid this kind of bottlenecks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TONSCHUH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    A decent laptop can manage this especially if it is connected to a large screen and has several USB ports preferably USB3. The problem with even a tablet like the surface pro is that you'd need several USB devices and you'd have to connect them via a Hub. For typical home situations connecting several disks to the same hub is OK but if you are producing a LOT of commercial quality photos etc the USB hub would be a severe bottleneck and performance would be TERRIBLE.

    Some things still need a "Computer" in the old fashioned sense of the word.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Then you just get the Dock and a GoFlex-Home-NAS or a Business-NAS. There are plenty options to avoid this kind of bottlenecks.

    Hi there
    Thanks

    just shows again that there are all sorts of decent substitutes these days for running even traditional applications on totally new hardware devices instead of a "traditional Desktop".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    I have a pretty good view of the tablets. And the Surface Pro you can get a keyboard that was designed for it. Few people don't buy one without the other. Not sure what you mean by the 20" and over. I can certainly hook it up to any monitor through the mini-Display Port(and actually use a higher resolution if the monitor supports it).

    The pure tablet of the form of the iPad or iPad Mini is simply designed to run stripped-down applications. It has its place, and for some people thats all that is needed. But to me, pure tablets were designed from the ground up for end-users that weren't that bright. If i need someone to take orders face-to-face on a showroom floor for that personal touch, an ipad(or RT) is ideal. With little training, the dimmest of bulbs is a power user in a puddle of mediocrity. I have yet to see anyone who uses pure tablets as their primary means of interfacing with the computing world to be some type of bright light.

    The Elderly? For them its Awesome.
    Housewives? For them its Awesome.

    There is a reason they are selling a bunch of them and it isn't because tech people are buying them. Its because most people aren't tech people.

    What were they doing when we were setting up databases on an old 486 dx2 66? Watching soap operas, doing mundane jobs, etc.

    Now we call them ipad users. Whats fairly interesting about how 'the ecosystem' is shaking out is that by and large, where you are in that ecosystem device-wise tends to say a lot about a person.
    Geeze, you do a wonderful job of painting tablet users as dim, dumb, neanderthal, knuckle dragging idiots.

    Could you try a bit harder please? Maybe you can talk about how lofty, bright and above the lowly serfs the users of surface tablets are.

    Why so much effort to beat down tablet users?
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