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  1. #11


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillipduran View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    I have a pretty good view of the tablets. And the Surface Pro you can get a keyboard that was designed for it. Few people don't buy one without the other. Not sure what you mean by the 20" and over. I can certainly hook it up to any monitor through the mini-Display Port(and actually use a higher resolution if the monitor supports it).

    The pure tablet of the form of the iPad or iPad Mini is simply designed to run stripped-down applications. It has its place, and for some people thats all that is needed. But to me, pure tablets were designed from the ground up for end-users that weren't that bright. If i need someone to take orders face-to-face on a showroom floor for that personal touch, an ipad(or RT) is ideal. With little training, the dimmest of bulbs is a power user in a puddle of mediocrity. I have yet to see anyone who uses pure tablets as their primary means of interfacing with the computing world to be some type of bright light.

    The Elderly? For them its Awesome.
    Housewives? For them its Awesome.

    There is a reason they are selling a bunch of them and it isn't because tech people are buying them. Its because most people aren't tech people.

    What were they doing when we were setting up databases on an old 486 dx2 66? Watching soap operas, doing mundane jobs, etc.

    Now we call them ipad users. Whats fairly interesting about how 'the ecosystem' is shaking out is that by and large, where you are in that ecosystem device-wise tends to say a lot about a person.
    Geeze, you do a wonderful job of painting tablet users as dim, dumb, neanderthal, knuckle dragging idiots.

    Could you try a bit harder please? Maybe you can talk about how lofty, bright and above the lowly serfs the users of surface tablets are.

    Why so much effort to beat down tablet users?
    Hi there.

    the Brits have a decent expression for this stuff "Horses for Courses" -- although judging by their press recently if they lose on the racetrack then the losing horses seem to end up on the Dinner table !!!.

    Sometimes a tablet can make absolute perfect sense. So do e-readers and a myriad of other devices. It totally depends on WHAT you want to do and HOW you want to do it..

    Now if I want to take a beautiful photograph I could either take DAYS to do it, carry around a Van load of equipment and spend Hours (or Weeks) developing and processing it like Ansell Adams or I could do it in an instant with a Mobile Phone. Depends on WHAT I need to do and HOW I can do it. The phone would of course allow me to email the pic to anywhere in the world within seconds and this would be the choice if I needed to send someone a quick newsflash or grab evidence that might be useful in a Court case - but if I had a contract to supply a chain of Hotels with nice scenic murals then the Ansell Adams approach would be more suited.


    Using a Mobile phone won't make me any better or worse photographer - in fact it might even make me a BETTER one because I'd have to work within the HUGE limitations of the device.

    I don't really like tablets myself but that's just a personal reason -- but I can't say users of these are total imbeciles either.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phillipduran View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    I have a pretty good view of the tablets. And the Surface Pro you can get a keyboard that was designed for it. Few people don't buy one without the other. Not sure what you mean by the 20" and over. I can certainly hook it up to any monitor through the mini-Display Port(and actually use a higher resolution if the monitor supports it).

    The pure tablet of the form of the iPad or iPad Mini is simply designed to run stripped-down applications. It has its place, and for some people thats all that is needed. But to me, pure tablets were designed from the ground up for end-users that weren't that bright. If i need someone to take orders face-to-face on a showroom floor for that personal touch, an ipad(or RT) is ideal. With little training, the dimmest of bulbs is a power user in a puddle of mediocrity. I have yet to see anyone who uses pure tablets as their primary means of interfacing with the computing world to be some type of bright light.

    The Elderly? For them its Awesome.
    Housewives? For them its Awesome.

    There is a reason they are selling a bunch of them and it isn't because tech people are buying them. Its because most people aren't tech people.

    What were they doing when we were setting up databases on an old 486 dx2 66? Watching soap operas, doing mundane jobs, etc.

    Now we call them ipad users. Whats fairly interesting about how 'the ecosystem' is shaking out is that by and large, where you are in that ecosystem device-wise tends to say a lot about a person.
    Geeze, you do a wonderful job of painting tablet users as dim, dumb, neanderthal, knuckle dragging idiots.

    Could you try a bit harder please? Maybe you can talk about how lofty, bright and above the lowly serfs the users of surface tablets are.

    Why so much effort to beat down tablet users?
    Hi there.

    the Brits have a decent expression for this stuff "Horses for Courses" -- although judging by their press recently if they lose on the racetrack then the losing horses seem to end up on the Dinner table !!!.

    Sometimes a tablet can make absolute perfect sense. So do e-readers and a myriad of other devices. It totally depends on WHAT you want to do and HOW you want to do it..

    Now if I want to take a beautiful photograph I could either take DAYS to do it, carry around a Van load of equipment and spend Hours (or Weeks) developing and processing it like Ansell Adams or I could do it in an instant with a Mobile Phone. Depends on WHAT I need to do and HOW I can do it. The phone would of course allow me to email the pic to anywhere in the world within seconds and this would be the choice if I needed to send someone a quick newsflash or grab evidence that might be useful in a Court case - but if I had a contract to supply a chain of Hotels with nice scenic murals then the Ansell Adams approach would be more suited.


    Using a Mobile phone won't make me any better or worse photographer - in fact it might even make me a BETTER one because I'd have to work within the HUGE limitations of the device.

    I don't really like tablets myself but that's just a personal reason -- but I can't say users of these are total imbeciles either.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yeah, I totally agree.

    I have no tablet and no laptop, because I don't need them, but that doesn't mean that they are useless crap for everyone else and that only Flodder's are buying them.

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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    "as we move Word, Excel, PowerPoint, to the Windows RT environment," claims DelBene.

    It certainly hints at Microsoft moving completely away from the desktop.
    Boy, I agree that it's hard to know where MSFT is going with this. Wish they'd be a little clearer. I would note though that the Windows RT environment for Office is a desktop environment. On RT, Office doesn't run within Metro. It runs on the desktop with the same windowing functionality as the Win8 version. So I'm not sure I'm concerned, yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    A decent laptop can manage this especially if it is connected to a large screen and has several USB ports preferably USB3. The problem with even a tablet like the surface pro is that you'd need several USB devices and you'd have to connect them via a Hub. For typical home situations connecting several disks to the same hub is OK but if you are producing a LOT of commercial quality photos etc the USB hub would be a severe bottleneck and performance would be TERRIBLE.

    Some things still need a "Computer" in the old fashioned sense of the word.
    I find your claims of needing multiple USB devices highly dubious. How big are we talking on these files? Like single digit gigs per image? Double digit? You'd copy one image to the system, manipulate it, and then copy back. If you have lots of varying images you could probably get a set of 64 or 128gb USB flash drives and organize them by category. Not to mention that a Surface Pro 128 would hold upwards of 130-140 gigs innately(more if they come out with bigger hdxc cards).

    Now, if we're talking about speeding up processing, then yes, you need to get to a workstation. If you're talking about just having it work when you're out in the middle of BFE though... it does everything the workstation can do, just slower given it doesn't have anywhere near the processing power.

    I wouldn't even consider getting rid of my PC, but if i need to go mobile and stay productive, there is absolutely no difference functionality-wise using the Surface Pro, its just the speed of processing that differs.

    This is different from having say an iPad in that you can't even dream of running full-blown Photoshop on it, much less manipulating files of the type you suggest. If you're on the road with an iPad, it might make a good cup-holder.
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  5. #15


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    On the road a 32 or even 64 GB micro sd card is probably fine now I think of it -- and a 2 TB small passport USB3 disk would suffice for almost anything that most people would want to take with them.

    My real point is that if you could say at home for example connect a large (min 24 inch) monitor and a DECENT keyboard and mouse to your device it would function almost identically like your current desktop -- and probably with a surface pro the lack of CPU power wouldn't be a problem.

    What I am trying to say here is that by using modern hardware in this type of "Modular" fashion the whole concept of the old type PC becomes essentially outdated, inflexible and totally impracticable for a lot of TODAY's online users.

    (I'm not talking about gamers etc or I.T server admins but these are a pretty small minority in the whole gamut of what used to be called typical home users -- a lot of whom never actually needed a computer in the first place -- but todays devices weren't available then).

    Cheers

    jimbo
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    What I am trying to say here is that by using modern hardware in this type of "Modular" fashion the whole concept of the old type PC becomes essentially outdated, inflexible and totally impracticable for a lot of TODAY's online users.
    Oh.. i completely agree that it isn't for everyone, but then it never has been. People will use as small of a form factor as it takes to get the job done. The key to the PC's survival is providing abilities that cannot be done with a standard mobile device. Even World of Warcraft... you can run it, but good luck on anything but low settings. Most people can't function if they aren't rolling 60 fps in WoW.

    Basically.. it used to be with a PC you needed a video chip and a logic chip. They realized long ago that if you made a video card you could speed up memory. Now, the best video cards torch anything found in a console or you're likely to find in a console. The logic chip has lasted us a good long while. Its constantly grown but now its reaching the limits of what you can do on a single chip(even with multiple cores). As a result, you aren't seeing the gains you should and mobile is catching up.

    What comes next is something like the Xeon Phi being used commercially. Being able to drop a teraflop computer into your system to handle intense logic calculations opens up HUGE amounts of possibility for both Video Gaming and Traditional Software. Suddenly you can actually Render CGI at amazing speeds in your home. On the Gaming side, Developers can start adding laws of physics to games... gravity, advanced AI, just lots of off-the-wall stuff that they've never even tried because the computational power simply hasn't been there.
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