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Why Moore's Law, not mobility, is killing the PC

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    USB 3.0 hard drives, 3.0 enclosures holding Sata III drives would typically see a 1tb or larger model drive upto 4tb. Flash drives however are still in a different ball park there as far as capacities while still fetching even much higher prices for the 3.0 models smaller in size then seen for the same priced 2.0 larger ones.

    A 64gb 2.0 flash drive will run about $150 while a new 3.0 16gb willl fetch $100! to illustrate that a bit. IF a 2.0 512gb gets $700 retail just imagine what a 3.0 would be priced at! Money, money, money for the latest when first seen! You pay their recooperative costs of development when being the first to buy the new item until it has been out for some time. When the next company comes out with the same or similar then a price war begins and the product becomes more affordable over time.

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    Large flash drives are not a good price/performance deall. I bought a fast 32GB USB3 flash drive for appr. $65. Then I got a 60GB SSD for $59.95. Add to that the enclosure for $15 and you have a much better deal.
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    I would say you were fortunate enough depending on brand and seller taking that into consideration to find anything larger then 16gb in a 3.0 flash drive for that low a price when popular vendors like newegg are getting $99.99 for the 16gb models. At buy.com while shopping around I grabbed a few 32gb 2.0 models for about $50 which only a year or two back was a "best found" type price for any 2.0 flash drives by a name brand that is.

    Cheap knockoff generic labels as well as some other brands like PNY and HP stink with flash drives however! They never should have gotten into them to begin with! It won't matter if they are 2.0 or 3.0 when the quality is poor to start with. The drives are typically much harder to work with. In fact when not plugging directly into a rear port you will find a limited number of good brands for hubs when they lack an ac adapter and run off the port directly. A 6 port hub without an ac adapter is asking for a problem on 3.0 as well as 2.0 since the current is simply pulled down too fast!
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    The 32GB flash drive was a Lexar Triton and the SSD was a Mushkin 60GB (which I love because it is very fast).
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    Mushkin puts out some good stuff except the problem seen with their dimms sitting twice as high in the dimm as other brands however making things miserable when going to add more ram in when a large hsf is already in use. To first see 8gb a second hsf was then bought until the Mushkn was later swapped out totally with Kingston HyperX memory to see 16gb!

    With larger flash drives the business type would be looking at the 128gb, 256gb, or even 512gb since they take their work on the road and usually have the $$$ resources usually provided to pay out for the convenience since they be only caring a small laptop or tablet along with them while on the road. For the home geek on the other hand wanting to see a dual boot of OSs with Windows untouched on the main drive the good sized but smaller 16-32-64gb sizes leave plenty of room for the open source flavors when wanting to try one out.

    Here I ended up settling for the 32gb models as well as some 8s and 16gigers at $50 for the 32gb over spending $100 more for the 64gb or hundreds more for the 256gb and 512gb drives seen listed for $700! I can buy a laptop with larger drive even for less like the 7 HP model for just over $400 I bought as a gift for someone back in 2011. But you can't that around in your pocket.
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    For a stick, the Triton is pretty fast - on USB3 it is faster than the Mushkin SSD. But it does not lend itself to all applications.

    When I moved my VMware virtual partitions outboard, the Triton did not perform well. It was like molasses. The Mushkin SSD does a beautiful job. Performance from the USB3 port feels the same as from the C partition (which is on a M4).

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    Hi there
    what about Micro Sd cards. Most decent laptops have a built in SD card reader -- use the SD==>micro sd adapter -- often when you buy a Lexar micro sd card the adapter comes with it.

    When travelling with a PC I'd rather have the SD card inserted into the PC where it won't get lost. --USB flash drives are often easy to lose plus the aggravation of knowing which one to insert. I think a Micro SD card can now have up to 64 GB -- 32 GB ones are common -- I use one in a phone, plus a camera -- I still don't like mobile phone cameras.

    However these devices are more suited for DATA. You can't beat an internal SSD for OS and applications.

    The other problem is that for things like heavy erase writes a flash device has a much lower life cycle than an SSD - especially the latest hardware. USB3 external disks are fine for VM partitions BTW -- and even a decent USB 2 disk will perform passably once the VM is powered on and completely booted up.

    Incidentally a VM on a micro Sd card seems to work better than a USB 2 disk - the USB 3 disk is best or best of all if your computer can do it - an external SSD connected to an SATA 3 port. Probably beats even an INTERNAL spinner hands down.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    There should be larger capacity microSD cards in the works soon, as well as MUCH faster ones as well. There was this one I read about that had like USB 3.0 type speeds, or around half of the normal speeds of a USB 3 flash drive.

    Or maybe smaller and cheaper and reliable SSDs should be in the works...
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    Or maybe smaller and cheaper and reliable SSDs should be in the works...
    SSDs are very reliable. I never had a problem with any of my 7 SSDs - and the 2 oldest are from 2008.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Or maybe smaller and cheaper and reliable SSDs should be in the works...
    SSDs are very reliable. I never had a problem with any of my 7 SSDs - and the 2 oldest are from 2008.
    Intel made some that in laptops that put the ssd to sleep would in time turn the drive into a 2MB drive. I had one of these at one time.
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