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Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    (Also to everybody who are CONTINUALLY knocking W8 with 100's of THE SAME posts -- I think the main 2 offenders here know who I mean-- Really How difficult is it to use ANY version of Windows with the exception of Windows NT).
    Once again, who has said that Windows 8 is difficult to use? It's not, it's simply annoying and unpleasant to use. Those two things are a world apart.

    Keep repeating that same mistake continually, and you'll most certainly keep hearing about the main complaint continually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    (Also to everybody who are CONTINUALLY knocking W8 with 100's of THE SAME posts -- I think the main 2 offenders here know who I mean-- Really How difficult is it to use ANY version of Windows with the exception of Windows NT).
    Once again, who has said that Windows 8 is difficult to use? It's not, it's simply annoying and unpleasant to use. Those two things are a world apart.

    Keep repeating that same mistake continually, and you'll most certainly keep hearing about the main complaint continually.
    The key word is spoken! "ANNOYING"! And that's precisely what it is for the more advanced user not to mention that the RT on desktop without touchscreen as someone commented on having the RT gui becomes awkward and cluttersome for the point and click user.

    No one so far has stated that 8 was a garbage version as far as not seeing improvements either. To go back a few posts you'll notice the key observation made was that 8 has proven half of a new version of Windows only seeing a Tablet gui tossed on what should have been a desktop platform making the 8 experience a 3rd party app adventure as compared to the much smoother transition 7 brought in. What is the 3rd element? if you don't already know. Start Menu 7, Start8(paid for app), Classic Shell, Start options provided by OEMs to replace what MS removed, etc.

    8 gives off the impression I initially had for the Google browser Chrome. Half Baked! Likewise 8 is a half baked new version lacking for a new desktop regardless of you like or hate the Metro or "Modern" Surface Tablet touch and swipe gui on what is supposed to be a new "Desktop" version. And this is precisely what will continue to draw all sorts of criticisms for years to come as people will often see 8 as the latest flop.

    The initial reactions are still being heard from people about not liking 8 for being a "mobile OS" while that isn't the actual case. They took the embedded touch and swipe tablet gui and overlaid that over the updated MinWin while stripping out various things including media support to "lighten up' the OS. Does it mean this will be accepted by all? Not necessarily!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    (Also to everybody who are CONTINUALLY knocking W8 with 100's of THE SAME posts -- I think the main 2 offenders here know who I mean-- Really How difficult is it to use ANY version of Windows with the exception of Windows NT).
    And just how does this differ from those who CONTINUALLY extol its annoying perceived virtues with 100's of THE SAME posts?

    -jeff
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  4. #84


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Very nice comparison, Hippsie!

    Looks better, BUT the second one needs more maintenance even from the house perspective. Look where it's placed: I love nature, but you need to cut down the bushes and trees pretty often to stop the jungle from taking over in the house.
    Thanks, Hopachi. Actually Falling Water is practically maintenance free. made of natural stone, concrete, and steel. You may have to do some tree trimming and flower bed care, but there isn't a lawn.

    That house was completed in 1938. It looks like it was built yesterday to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Very nice comparison, Hippsie!

    Looks better, BUT the second one needs more maintenance even from the house perspective. Look where it's placed: I love nature, but you need to cut down the bushes and trees pretty often to stop the jungle from taking over in the house.
    Thanks, Hopachi. Actually Falling Water is practically maintenance free. made of natural stone, concrete, and steel. You may have to do some tree trimming and flower bed care, but there isn't a lawn.

    That house was completed in 1938. It looks like it was built yesterday to me.
    1938, we can't even get a builder in Australia to make a house last 5 years. I went to a village in Holland where all the houses were 200 years old as were the roads, I thought it was a new estate. The only difference between the old bricks and new bricks was that they were longer and the roads were better than any modern road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jf1450 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    (Also to everybody who are CONTINUALLY knocking W8 with 100's of THE SAME posts -- I think the main 2 offenders here know who I mean-- Really How difficult is it to use ANY version of Windows with the exception of Windows NT).
    And just how does this differ from those who CONTINUALLY extol its annoying perceived virtues with 100's of THE SAME posts?

    -jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    1938, we can't even get a builder in Australia to make a house last 5 years. I went to a village in Holland where all the houses were 200 years old as were the roads, I thought it was a new estate. The only difference between the old bricks and new bricks was that they were longer and the roads were better than any modern road.
    Well, that just goes to prove the lengths to which Bill is prepared to exaggerate, or even lie. It doesn't take much to prove that it's just more BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Really How difficult is it to use ANY version of Windows with the exception of Windows NT).

    Windows NT definitely was not at all "User friendly" for use as a desktop -- USB support was poor or non existent, Networking with RAS etc was a total nightmare and to try and add any typical new hardware required you almost to have a degree in Computer Science to get it configured. Fortunately Ms decided this was essentially destined to be a "Server" OS and modified it a bit to make the much more friendly (and actually a decent OS) Windows 2000.
    You seem to have missed one main point when referring to the old Network Technology OS that ran on a different Networking workstation type platform over the OS seen on the typical home user pc. The same could be said about old Linux flavors were the Bash commands were more commonly used by typing them into the console over what has been seen in the far more recent updated releases where things have been simplified to draw in more Windows users to the other OS.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Anyway here's one for all the Computer Gurus to ponder :

    My 95 Year old Grandad took precisely 10 mins to use Windows 8 without ANY problems whatsoever -- and he actually PREFERRED it to Windows XP which is what he'd being using before.

    I had to install and set it up for him and get his applications sorted -- He uses a Touch screen Monitor and is happy with it -- he basically just uses Touch to get and start the application he wants such as one of his Trading programs and then uses the Mouse and keyboard as a typical desktop user -- he likes the BEST of the New while still retaining a lot of stuff he's used to.

    He STLL does a little Stock trading so he's just not casually surfing the web.

    If a 95 year old guy can get to grips with this after years of using XP I can't believe that :

    a) Windows 8 is impossible to use for people who are working primarily on a "Classic Desktop" - especially as I'd assume most of these users to be far more "Computer Savvy" than my 95 year old Grandad.

    b) Windows 8 is doomed to failure. I don't believe it for an instant -- Of course there needs to be some changes --everybody can always pick out features in ANY OS which they either don't like, have been poorly implemented or want changed in some way.

    Anyway Ms is in this for the long haul -- and often these days an old classic menu can be MORE of a hindrance than a help. -- Using two or three toolbars can make it a LOT easier than finding stuff in a Generic Menu with everything included as well as the kitchen sink.

    With the old Menu system you can't even select say a subset like OFFICE -- you have to select OFFICE from the MAIN menu and then select the Office product you want.

    I prefer a Toolbar of frequently used applications -- works a treat whether via just a toolbar or even via tiles on a Touch screen.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    For someone that old pressing button on a touchscreen is far more easier to fathom then trying to move a cursor around and click to open things. The RT gui is still going to be just that a Tablet touch and swipe gui "designed for the Tablet platform" and still going to be annoying for the more advanced productive desktop user as well as baffling for those unfamiliar with the gui changes and now finally upgrading out of XP or Vista perhaps having missed 7 entirely. The intermediate to advanced user will of course find the workarounds skipping the Metro entirely using 3rd party apps as well as the move OEMs have been making since those are the professionals who build and sell new machines and know what does work!

    You should see how flaky the touchpad is on a newly bought 8 laptop where the cursor either jumps around or is seen in one spot to click on an item over in another as someone was complaining about trying to play a game on FaceBook and ready to toss the 8 laptop! The touchpad is being substituted by a usb mouse to get past that headache. That one is hardware related however when compared to an older model of the same brand running Vista where the touchpad acts normally.

    Once Classic Shell went on I was able to go into Start>Settings>Control Panel and create a new desktop shortcut for the owner so he and his better half wouldn't have to find just the right "Sweet Spot" to right click on in order to bring up the right click menu found where the Start screen popup appears. Too often the Personalize right click on desktop would appear instead! That's annother "annoyance" when trying to use a non desktop type touchscreen gui on the desktop releases.

    I wasn't able to pin the new CP shortcut to the task bar however only to the Start screen which the new owners have no interest in. I explained how to get past that on startup.

    Awkwardness and a not so bright change from desktop to Tablet gui is the actual downside found in 8 whether you like or hate 8! There's no getting around that by trying to hype how wonderful it is when the people speak their own minds at what they are finding "doesn't work" for them. If you had seen a preview of what 8 would look like back in 2009 when 7 was first coming out you probably would have said something like: "What in blazes will MS be doing to the OS next?!"

    Most hated Vista when that was new mostly seen with gamers complaining that Vista ran slower on their older hardwares. Ddi that stop others from Vista like the new main OS and liking it? When each new version comes out there will always be likers as well as those not interested.

    Many were reluctant to run Vista since they were unfamiliar with it. Yet MS still included the one thing lacking in 8 namely "Options". Fortunately some have been finding ways around the Tablet side of 8 to get at the new core elements with a little 3rd party help while the big oops was MS not thinking ahead about including options for the new or the old while Vista saw Aero or Classic. In 8 that would need to be traditional and widely accepted as a standard or RT tablet.

    For me Classic Shel and pressing to hold the enter button at the 8 Welcome screen bypasses the Start screen entirely where I can then go to work(with the RP VM presently) with Quick Launch type additional tool bars from the main taskbar acting like jump lists. It's a bit easier to right click on items to copy and paste on the desktop or use the create shortcut option when available when a program menu is present while the Start>All Programs actually sees limited use in either 7 or 8. In 7 however you don't have to browse each program folder to see that done however while you are not able to from the Start screen. You can only pin items seen there to the task bar directly.

    Of course some have expanded the taskbar to fill that with pinned items when no longer seeing a Start menu to begin with. While I still have no plans on eliminating 7 in this lifetime I would simply prepare the 8 desktop to look similar to how things are seen in one image of the 7 desktop no longer seeing RocketDock enabled except when needed.

    Click image for larger version

    No need for the old Quick Launch in XP or Vista either if running one of the older verisons on a clunker. The things I look at with each new version would be security, stablity first, and then performance with existing programs able to run. Eventually if I get the SP1 release of 8 I would still have an effective workaround from any Start screen or Start menu app in use. One question here would be can 8 live up to expectations since I push things each version to the limit with 7 still shining like a workhorse while others haven't fared so well. Vista wasn't too bad but will never meet 7! 8 is still somewhat a mystery since it inititally ran into "buggy and whip" rather then "works right out of the box"!
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    8 isn't a failure to me. Adventuresome would be my description of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    1938, we can't even get a builder in Australia to make a house last 5 years. I went to a village in Holland where all the houses were 200 years old as were the roads, I thought it was a new estate. The only difference between the old bricks and new bricks was that they were longer and the roads were better than any modern road.
    Well, that just goes to prove the lengths to which Bill is prepared to exaggerate, or even lie. It doesn't take much to prove that it's just more BS.
    I'll forgive you again, as you've obviously never travelled overseas. The houses looked like they'd been built yesterday and the paved roads were like they'd been layed by some machine.

    Go and have a look at King Ludwicks Castle, still the same as the day it was built. Go to St Petersburg in Russia, 300 year old buildings bigger and better than anything in Australia today and all built on a swamp.

    Actually there's a lot of cities in France where the buildings are still in pristine condition and probably around 200 years old or older.

    I'm going overseas again shortly, I'll send you some postcards from the Eiffel Tower and Barcelona.
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