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  1. #61


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Mobile Devices, especially the convertibles, are going to be the Killer App for Windows 8, because its going to introduce a lot of people to the touch UI that Windows 8 introduced that they never saw on their old PC.
    You really do need to gain a better understanding of apps. Devices, mobile or otherwise, are not apps. Apps are little programs that you get off an app store to amuse yourself with when you have nothing important to do. People have been using apps on Apple and Android devices for years, the only 'killer' that Windows 8 has introduced is the desktop killer.

    And as they get used to it, those people that continue to have a workstation for serious calculations(i.e. playing Crysis, and other PC games, amongst other applications :P) are going to go touchscreen for Windows to bring the two UI's into line. Its simply a smoother and easier way to interface to your applications, once you learn it and find a form factor you like.
    I'd love to have a translation of this paragraph.
    It's a good thing we've got you around to explain stuff Ray, I thought Chrisa sounded like he knew what he was talking about. Also Apps is now a generic term for programmes, saves a lot of typing.

    I'll forgive you for your complete misunderstanding of Apps as you have no apprehension of iPads or Android tablets, suffice be it to say that what you said about them is utter rubbish.
    I'm sure you do feel that way, the statements are about as absurd as most of yours. Apps and programs are different entities and should always be identified as such. Programs are code heavy, usually OS dependent, generally expensive, such as Microsoft Office. Apps are ideally OS independent, small in size, cheap and often cloud dependent.

    One thing you are most certainly correct about, is that I have no 'apprehension' about iPads or Android devices, or apps. Another epic fail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    What mysteries, one click to the Desktop, bottom corner, right corner, hover mouse on the left side of screen and right mouse button. IOS has got a lot more hidden mysteries than Windows 8.

    All Windows 8 takes is someone to explain just a couple of things and that's it, the rest is virtually Windows 7.
    All it takes is... ??? What if you don't have that someone to explain everything in detail like Staples offering "Free Windows 8 Lessons" when buying any new 8 desktop or laptop? For someone who tinkers with OSs on a regular basis they automaticallly perform their own "search and discover" operations as they go along. For someone who only buys a premade machine every so many years for the convenience at this time upgrading out of any XP or Vista laptop and then running smack into Tablet gui with hidden mysteries they won't be taking too well to it!

    You can be sure the blog writers have been having a field day with 8 so far! So far the actual enhancements that are new for the desktop platform seen in 8 would be the new Lock screen much like the side bar was a new thrill in Vista! The taskmanager now has a new look to vamp that up in appearance much more like a 3rd party performance app.

    The updated form of the MS SE actually works as a genuine system protection other then being just another free program to change the red X indication in the Control Panel to green on having an av program installed. And the one other thing that can complicate dual or multibooting OSs is the new UEFI boot protection that falls under firmware verification. Protecting the pre-OS environment with UEFI

    These are the types of things you would expect to see in any newer version as far as some new toys as well as some types of improvements in security and of course the task manager has a new look. That would have been easily a new form of Aero or a new Aero substitute but MS went off in a different direction taking the "cheap way out" of simply slapping the RT gui on all editions of 8 rather then work out something new for the desktop.

    And right at the top of the list to explain why 8 is seen as a flop would be Reason #1 by this author of Windows RT on the desktop platform? While no OS is ever based on the main look by that alone each new version of Windows has been sold using that formula while 8 strays away from the established framework to chase after a Google bash on the mobile market mentality. The entire agenda now is focused on the portable and hand held while abandoning the main product as the critisms will continue.

    There's not going to be any way around 8 getting bashed by the critics which include professionals in the industry. Everyone has been watching what too many now see a blonder as far as what MS is marketing for the desktop. No one bashes MS for working up a new OS for their new Surface Tablets since they are introducing a new product for that platform while the bashing is due to short changing the desktop users! Windows 8 is half of a new version with something else thrown on top of it!
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  3. #63


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post

    You really do need to gain a better understanding of apps. Devices, mobile or otherwise, are not apps. Apps are little programs that you get off an app store to amuse yourself with when you have nothing important to do. People have been using apps on Apple and Android devices for years, the only 'killer' that Windows 8 has introduced is the desktop killer.



    I'd love to have a translation of this paragraph.
    It's a good thing we've got you around to explain stuff Ray, I thought Chrisa sounded like he knew what he was talking about. Also Apps is now a generic term for programmes, saves a lot of typing.

    I'll forgive you for your complete misunderstanding of Apps as you have no apprehension of iPads or Android tablets, suffice be it to say that what you said about them is utter rubbish.
    I'm sure you do feel that way, the statements are about as absurd as most of yours. Apps and programs are different entities and should always be identified as such. Programs are code heavy, usually OS dependent, generally expensive, such as Microsoft Office. Apps are ideally OS independent, small in size, cheap and often cloud dependent.

    One thing you are most certainly correct about, is that I have no 'apprehension' about iPads or Android devices, or apps. Another epic fail!
    I give up, maybe you should tell App developers, about their small cheap Photo editing apps and video editing apps, as well as spreadsheet apps, I could go on but you wear me out Ray, nothing I could ever tell you will sink in.

    I'm willing to bet you're from around the Snowy Mountains area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    What mysteries, one click to the Desktop, bottom corner, right corner, hover mouse on the left side of screen and right mouse button. IOS has got a lot more hidden mysteries than Windows 8.

    All Windows 8 takes is someone to explain just a couple of things and that's it, the rest is virtually Windows 7.
    All it takes is... ??? What if you don't have that someone to explain everything in detail like Staples offering "Free Windows 8 Lessons" when buying any new 8 desktop or laptop? For someone who tinkers with OSs on a regular basis they automaticallly perform their own "search and discover" operations as they go along. For someone who only buys a premade machine every so many years for the convenience at this time upgrading out of any XP or Vista laptop and then running smack into Tablet gui with hidden mysteries they won't be taking too well to it!

    You can be sure the blog writers have been having a field day with 8 so far! So far the actual enhancements that are new for the desktop platform seen in 8 would be the new Lock screen much like the side bar was a new thrill in Vista! The taskmanager now has a new look to vamp that up in appearance much more like a 3rd party performance app.

    The updated form of the MS SE actually works as a genuine system protection other then being just another free program to change the red X indication in the Control Panel to green on having an av program installed. And the one other thing that can complicate dual or multibooting OSs is the new UEFI boot protection that falls under firmware verification. Protecting the pre-OS environment with UEFI

    These are the types of things you would expect to see in any newer version as far as some new toys as well as some types of improvements in security and of course the task manager has a new look. That would have been easily a new form of Aero or a new Aero substitute but MS went off in a different direction taking the "cheap way out" of simply slapping the RT gui on all editions of 8 rather then work out something new for the desktop.

    And right at the top of the list to explain why 8 is seen as a flop would be Reason #1 by this author of Windows RT on the desktop platform? While no OS is ever based on the main look by that alone each new version of Windows has been sold using that formula while 8 strays away from the established framework to chase after a Google bash on the mobile market mentality. The entire agenda now is focused on the portable and hand held while abandoning the main product as the critisms will continue.

    There's not going to be any way around 8 getting bashed by the critics which include professionals in the industry. Everyone has been watching what too many now see a blonder as far as what MS is marketing for the desktop. No one bashes MS for working up a new OS for their new Surface Tablets since they are introducing a new product for that platform while the bashing is due to short changing the desktop users! Windows 8 is half of a new version with something else thrown on top of it!
    I've been around a long time Nighthawk, I've never seen a time when Microsoft wasn't getting bashed, it absolutely doesn't matter what Microsoft does it gets bashed. They start bashing Microsoft before anything even comes out.

    I've never seen or touched a Zune, but I feel like I know all about it, just from the criticism alone. Right to this day people use it much like Vista to bash Microsoft. Yet the people who actually owned one reckon it was much better than any iPod, even the odd one or two bloggers gave it a AAA rating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I give up, maybe you should tell App developers, about their small cheap Photo editing apps and video editing apps, as well as spreadsheet apps, I could go on but you wear me out Ray, nothing I could ever tell you will sink in.

    I'm willing to bet you're from around the Snowy Mountains area.
    Excellent!

    Adobe has actually made a Photoshop app for Apple and Android: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adob...331975235?mt=8ttp://www.adobe.com/au/products/photoshop-touch.html, Adobe Photoshop Express for Android | Photoshop.com. How can they give away these things for free, when Photoshop is so expensive?

    Last time I looked at the Windows 8 app store, there wasn't much that cost over $5. Try buying a full blown program for $5. When it comes to things not sinking in, you are a prime example.

    Is there something about the Snowy Mountains area that makes it suitable to imply as an insult?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I give up, maybe you should tell App developers, about their small cheap Photo editing apps and video editing apps, as well as spreadsheet apps, I could go on but you wear me out Ray, nothing I could ever tell you will sink in.

    I'm willing to bet you're from around the Snowy Mountains area.
    Excellent!

    Adobe has actually made a Photoshop app for Apple and Android: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adob...331975235?mt=8ttp://www.adobe.com/au/products/photoshop-touch.html, Adobe Photoshop Express for Android | Photoshop.com. How can they give away these things for free, when Photoshop is so expensive?

    Last time I looked at the Windows 8 app store, there wasn't much that cost over $5. Try buying a full blown program for $5. When it comes to things not sinking in, you are a prime example.

    Is there something about the Snowy Mountains area that makes it suitable to imply as an insult?
    The Iceman cometh.

    Okay let's see, no overheads, no advertising fees, no middleman, no packaging and no retail store and sales people and a much larger audience. Some of those cheap useless little apps today are way more powerful than programmes were just a few years ago.

    An app on my camera allows me to take Panoramic Photos and allows editing, I can take continuos shots by holding down the button, most expensive cameras aren't even capable of doing that.

    I have an App for navigating on my phone, it's better than my $400 Navman navigator, but yeah it probably just took a day or two to develop.

    I really hope a developer reads your comment Ray, I really do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The Iceman cometh.

    Okay let's see, no overheads, no advertising fees, no middleman, no packaging and no retail store and sales people and a much larger audience. Some of those cheap useless little apps today are way more powerful than programmes were just a few years ago.

    An app on my camera allows me to take Panoramic Photos and allows editing, I can take continuos shots by holding down the button, most expensive cameras aren't even capable of doing that.

    I have an App for navigating on my phone, it's better than my $400 Navman navigator, but yeah it probably just took a day or two to develop.

    I really hope a developer reads your comment Ray, I really do.
    See, once again you get things completely wrong. I was not saying that apps are useless, that there is no effort required to develop apps and that they are not functional, but simply that technically they are not as complex as full blown programs. That's simply what you read into what I posted, because you are always interpreting anything I write as being negative.

    Your example about costs is completely blown out of the water if you consider that my examples were products produced by Adobe, which does have overheads, advertising fees, middlemen etc for their range of products, one of which is the Photoshop Express. Not all app developers are one man bands trying to produce the best fart app in the world.

    The same applies to your other examples, most apps such as those are provided by rather substantial concerns like the OEM camera manufacturers, or navigation providers such as Garmin, CoPilot, Google etc. And in regard to your navigation example, navigation programs are only as good as the maps that are available and whether they are available off-line.

    I'd gladly discuss this with an app developer, I doubt that we'd have a great deal of disagreement. BTW, I'm an ex-professional photographer, amongst other things, so I do know a little bit about photography equipment and associated software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Are you back on that old excuse that win 8 is not selling because people don't want to spend?

    Is that it?

    Apple didn't have any trouble selling a lot of products in xmas season.
    It's just like the other standard fallback, "people hate change".

    If that is true, then why did people buy iPhones, iPads, iPad Minis and Android tablets in the first place?

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've never seen or touched a Zune, but I feel like I know all about it, just from the criticism alone.

    The Zune interface was the forerunner to Metro.
    I thought that it was awful (and Metro inherited its characteristics).
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    .Apps are little programs that you get off an app store to amuse yourself with when you have nothing important to do.
    Yep I misunderstood you, a complete misinterpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    .Apps are little programs that you get off an app store to amuse yourself with when you have nothing important to do.
    Yep I misunderstood you, a complete misinterpretation.
    For a supposed Australian, you sure lack any sense of the irreverent and dry humour.
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