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Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed

  1. #51


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    Does Windows 8 really have to be a roaring success straight out of the gate, I'm pretty sure CDs weren't and from memory DVDs were even slower.

    People are sometimes slow to adapt to new ways, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're a failure.
    People hated XP and Windows 7, have a look at them now. Windows 8 is a huge step from either of these two so its only natural there's going to be some hesitation.

    I breed Tropical Fish and have bred parrots, when you introduce a new food, doesn't matter how scrumptious looking, these animals reel back and are very suspicious. It can take days before they accept the new food. Although not all of them are like that, some are bolder than others, possibly Alpha Males.

    Computers themselves didn't exactly start off with a bang, I was the only guy I knew for years with computers, long before they became popular.

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    Comparing the users to Parrotts now are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I am neither for or against Win 8 having said that I use an 8 machine only because the new HP computer I bought came with Win 8. Also, it seems there are a great many more articles indicating MS is having problems with getting Win 8 out to the public then the other way around.

    It appears that also some of the retailers are having the same problem. Best Buy along with Staples are offering deals that seem as though they are having problems moving Win 8 machines and devices.
    OEMs came out with their own Start menu gui replacements to bypass the "Modern" or "Metro" borrowed mistakenly from Windows RT and slapped on the desktop OS knowing sales would slump for new desktops. The negative reactions have been industry wide despite the W8 fan clubs due mainly to two factors 1) being the change 2)replacing a desktop(traditional and long accepted) gui to see a tablet "touch and swipe" gui on the wrong platform.

    You're not going to change that fact simply claiming that this is the new trend when in actuality it was someone's brain dead idea that "it will look pretty having all look the same!" when actual functionality becomes impaired requiring more steps to perform the same tasks as well as hidden tool bars and hidden right click menus in order to get at things previously found in Start>Settings!

    As for how retailers like Best Buy and Staples are handling things Staples stepped out in front mentioning their "free lessens on how to use 8" last fall following 8's launch knowing people were going to be stumped by the awkwardness of how things in 8 were changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Some like it, some (most) not...

    But after seeing the charts: man! even Vista did better!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I use an 8 machine only because the new HP computer I bought came with Win 8.
    Yep, also HP here.
    Vista fared better initially when first bringing in the Aero and gadgets along with the then new sidebar by including the "Classic Windows" options! For themes and appearance like a Start button instead of orb people had choices not seen with 8 as far as no Start>All Programs and Shutdown options where you can find them right from the start without any "search and destroy(slam head against wall)" brain death over how contorted things appear to be for everyone not being familiar with the CP and RP builds ahead of time but running out to buy a new pc and "what's this?".

    When that old Vista case with a brand new drive just put in lately following a rebuild with new board, supply, cpu(upgraded cpu on 7 case and passed the 965 along), and DDR3 to replace the old DDR2 from the first board a frined decided to buy a slightly used 8 laptop when it seems the new drive installed in December is having problems. The first thing besides creating a new local account for the new owner was to... download and install Classic Shell so he would be able to use it without being stumped as he was already made aware that he wouldn't like the changes when previously shown snaps from the CP and RP desktops.

    Here if I was only running 8 or any other OS I would "make it work" for me with whatever it took. But for the novice or simply non OS tweaking user who expects to see only a new look not a major gui overall when going out to buy a new pc to browse the web and check the mail the chief gui designer as reported in one article from SUN Microsystems had it correct when stating that 8 gui was more or less a disaster in the making since it doesn't work for the desktop environment.

    Whether in love or hating the changes MS has made in 8 the one thing for certain is that the underlying core improvements are simply being drowned out by the contorted hind sight someone at MS made for 8. The first right off the bat is not seeing any options for the user to decide whether or not to use the RT gui or set Win 8 up for the long accepted desktop platform seeing the Start orb, menu, All Programs menu, and shutdown and settings all where you would expect to find them not explore Antartica looking for gold and getting frost bite instead!

    Here it isn't actually the All Programs but lack Start as well as programs and settings right where you can find them in order to right click to copy and paste a new shortcut for each new program that lacks a desktop shortcut made by the installer to drag into the appropiate folder for the addon "Quick Launch" type tool bars right on the task bar itself where everything is launched from. In fact I now have RocketDock on the unchecked from startup except on rare occasions when the primary display is in use by a full screen app. The smart bar extensions over to the second monitor never include pinned items there unless the desktop is cloned or the task bar itself is cloned where you then see two Start orbs!

    Now for the drab look of the Start screen that immediately saw too many complaints it was only a matter of time before ways to customize things like changing the background(ugly as H) to something else was to be found. You will now find guides for customizing the Start screen, bypassing that upon starting Win 8 up as well as changing the background for the new Lock screen. I knew that would only be a matter of time and expect to see more options as time goes along.

    The largest URK with 8 however is the need to go for some 3rd party ware since MS deployed hindsighted thinking into forcing the RT gui on people from the start.Without touchscreen or not wanting it to begin with you are still stuck with a tablet gui without any options provided by MS which is the line to be crossed when people first get into 8 and then want out in a fast hurry! Too many jumped on it too fast just because it was new just like every other version when first out before "looking into it first" and then were dismayed.

    The main reason the bug laden XP lasted even this long is that MS took longer then usual to see Vista finally out and then understating the correct system requirements where people running old pcs were stumped. Vista on under required hardwares thought it was a bloat OS instead of simply needing an updated system requirements MS failed on there to satisfy OEMs selling underequipped pcs with it installed on which regardless of how more stable it was didn't go over well. At least once people got into that with better hardwares they found they liked it some now even better then 7! Some went back from 7 to Vista for that reason.
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    Difference of architecture

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    Windows 7
    Victorian house with all the bells and whistles. Designed more on the vertical line. Quite nice if one likes this sort of style. Functions well.

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    Windows 8
    Frank Lloyd Wright's Falling Water. Ingenious. Designed more on the horizontal line. Flows well. A whole new look. This is more aesthetically pleasing to me.

    To each their own.
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  5. #55


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    By and large, all that you put out doesn't matter. If you don't like the UI, especially if you don't have a touchscreen, thats why there is Windows 7. We're 5 months in and nothing is stopping me from buying 7 off NewEgg. I have a feeling Microsoft is going to continue selling it for some time to come for people that have the intention of sunsetting their PC's in favor of mobile devices.

    Mobile Devices, especially the convertibles, are going to be the Killer App for Windows 8, because its going to introduce a lot of people to the touch UI that Windows 8 introduced that they never saw on their old PC. And as they get used to it, those people that continue to have a workstation for serious calculations(i.e. playing Crysis, and other PC games, amongst other applications :P) are going to go touchscreen for Windows to bring the two UI's into line. Its simply a smoother and easier way to interface to your applications, once you learn it and find a form factor you like.

    Keyboard and mouse aren't really going anywhere, there are gaming applications for which they are absolutely essential(i.e.y Action RPG's)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I am neither for or against Win 8 having said that I use an 8 machine only because the new HP computer I bought came with Win 8. Also, it seems there are a great many more articles indicating MS is having problems with getting Win 8 out to the public then the other way around.

    It appears that also some of the retailers are having the same problem. Best Buy along with Staples are offering deals that seem as though they are having problems moving Win 8 machines and devices.
    OEMs came out with their own Start menu gui replacements to bypass the "Modern" or "Metro" borrowed mistakenly from Windows RT and slapped on the desktop OS knowing sales would slump for new desktops. The negative reactions have been industry wide despite the W8 fan clubs due mainly to two factors 1) being the change 2)replacing a desktop(traditional and long accepted) gui to see a tablet "touch and swipe" gui on the wrong platform.

    *Clipped*
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  6. #56


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Comparing the users to Parrotts now are you?
    No way, I wouldn't do that, Parrots are quite smart.
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  7. #57


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Mobile Devices, especially the convertibles, are going to be the Killer App for Windows 8, because its going to introduce a lot of people to the touch UI that Windows 8 introduced that they never saw on their old PC.
    You really do need to gain a better understanding of apps. Devices, mobile or otherwise, are not apps. Apps are little programs that you get off an app store to amuse yourself with when you have nothing important to do. People have been using apps on Apple and Android devices for years, the only 'killer' that Windows 8 has introduced is the desktop killer.

    And as they get used to it, those people that continue to have a workstation for serious calculations(i.e. playing Crysis, and other PC games, amongst other applications :P) are going to go touchscreen for Windows to bring the two UI's into line. Its simply a smoother and easier way to interface to your applications, once you learn it and find a form factor you like.
    I'd love to have a translation of this paragraph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I am neither for or against Win 8 having said that I use an 8 machine only because the new HP computer I bought came with Win 8. Also, it seems there are a great many more articles indicating MS is having problems with getting Win 8 out to the public then the other way around.

    It appears that also some of the retailers are having the same problem. Best Buy along with Staples are offering deals that seem as though they are having problems moving Win 8 machines and devices.
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    By and large, all that you put out doesn't matter. If you don't like the UI, especially if you don't have a touchscreen, thats why there is Windows 7. We're 5 months in and nothing is stopping me from buying 7 off NewEgg. I have a feeling Microsoft is going to continue selling it for some time to come for people that have the intention of sunsetting their PC's in favor of mobile devices.

    Mobile Devices, especially the convertibles, are going to be the Killer App for Windows 8, because its going to introduce a lot of people to the touch UI that Windows 8 introduced that they never saw on their old PC. And as they get used to it, those people that continue to have a workstation for serious calculations(i.e. playing Crysis, and other PC games, amongst other applications :P) are going to go touchscreen for Windows to bring the two UI's into line. Its simply a smoother and easier way to interface to your applications, once you learn it and find a form factor you like.

    Keyboard and mouse aren't really going anywhere, there are gaming applications for which they are absolutely essential(i.e.y Action RPG's)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I am neither for or against Win 8 having said that I use an 8 machine only because the new HP computer I bought came with Win 8. Also, it seems there are a great many more articles indicating MS is having problems with getting Win 8 out to the public then the other way around.

    It appears that also some of the retailers are having the same problem. Best Buy along with Staples are offering deals that seem as though they are having problems moving Win 8 machines and devices.
    OEMs came out with their own Start menu gui replacements to bypass the "Modern" or "Metro" borrowed mistakenly from Windows RT and slapped on the desktop OS knowing sales would slump for new desktops. The negative reactions have been industry wide despite the W8 fan clubs due mainly to two factors 1) being the change 2)replacing a desktop(traditional and long accepted) gui to see a tablet "touch and swipe" gui on the wrong platform.

    *Clipped*
    Actually the article there points out that MS will likely be re-releasing 7 when 8 suffers too much as a fall back on OS. Win 7 was the champ right out of the box while 8 has a new twist of downturns not only with the RT gui but with stripping features out of the OS as well. The Media Center was added in back in 2005 with XP MCE to continue on with Vista. That was a late feature that won't be missed by everyone while the stripping away of video and dvd playback support in WMP on the other hand is stripping away something that was added into the player that came included in ME and support added with WMP 10 for XP.

    Now comparing 7 to a Victorial masion would be an inaccurate analogy there since 7 brought in the MinWin kernel 8 is enjoying as opposed to the old school "Windows getting larger each time" problem that Vista was the fall guy for! MS did actually make the "best possible" decisions with 7 to see a working desktop OS from the start while 8 is a feeble attempt to incorporate Tablet and smart phone into the desktop environment which simply put fails.

    And it isn't the Start orb, All Program and settings alone but the mishmash of the need to take 3-5 steps for what had been done with one or two! First you have to find the hidden mysteries, secret passage ways that would seem to fit the old Sherlock Holmes mystery in an old Victorian masion concept far better then the well thought out work that went into the previous version(s). 7 would fit the second photo far better from being well thought out ahead of time which is where MS was making actual progress!
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    What mysteries, one click to the Desktop, bottom corner, right corner, hover mouse on the left side of screen and right mouse button. IOS has got a lot more hidden mysteries than Windows 8.

    All Windows 8 takes is someone to explain just a couple of things and that's it, the rest is virtually Windows 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Mobile Devices, especially the convertibles, are going to be the Killer App for Windows 8, because its going to introduce a lot of people to the touch UI that Windows 8 introduced that they never saw on their old PC.
    You really do need to gain a better understanding of apps. Devices, mobile or otherwise, are not apps. Apps are little programs that you get off an app store to amuse yourself with when you have nothing important to do. People have been using apps on Apple and Android devices for years, the only 'killer' that Windows 8 has introduced is the desktop killer.

    And as they get used to it, those people that continue to have a workstation for serious calculations(i.e. playing Crysis, and other PC games, amongst other applications :P) are going to go touchscreen for Windows to bring the two UI's into line. Its simply a smoother and easier way to interface to your applications, once you learn it and find a form factor you like.
    I'd love to have a translation of this paragraph.
    It's a good thing we've got you around to explain stuff Ray, I thought Chrisa sounded like he knew what he was talking about. Also Apps is now a generic term for programmes, saves a lot of typing.

    I'll forgive you for your complete misunderstanding of Apps as you have no apprehension of iPads or Android tablets, suffice be it to say that what you said about them is utter rubbish.
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