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Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed

  1. #11


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    Honestly, Microsoft probably has the most solid strategy in the industry. It ain't sexy, but it may be the most effective. They've singlehandedly managed to convince businesses to finally start converting to 7, are using it as a backstop for those who won't convert to 8, and are bringing in the right hook in singlehandedly proving that you do not need a pure tablet and have started a completely new line of mobile device. They have the only desktop system which can handle touch and pen, and they've completely integrated the back end so that you can reuse source between applications and apps.

    In the meantime, Apple is resting on its laurels trying to make a watch or a tv they can sell, their operating systems are a mess on the backend, and none of their desktop applications support or can be built for touch and pen in their current state.

    In the meantime, Google is off inventing X-Ray Vision or something while at least trying to make a touchscreen laptop, all their stuff is situated cloud or mobile so isn't really much of a competitor in the application arena.

    And the best part of all is the media is thinking that Microsoft is now dead and buried, so nobody is paying much attention at all really to them as they get ready to hold the wake and party.

    This year is going to be quite fun.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Honestly, Microsoft probably has the most solid strategy in the industry. It ain't sexy, but it may be the most effective. They've singlehandedly managed to convince businesses to finally start converting to 7, are using it as a backstop for those who won't convert to 8, and are bringing in the right hook in singlehandedly proving that you do not need a pure tablet and have started a completely new line of mobile device. They have the only desktop system which can handle touch and pen, and they've completely integrated the back end so that you can reuse source between applications and apps.

    In the meantime, Apple is resting on its laurels trying to make a watch or a tv they can sell, their operating systems are a mess on the backend, and none of their desktop applications support or can be built for touch and pen in their current state.

    In the meantime, Google is off inventing X-Ray Vision or something while at least trying to make a touchscreen laptop, all their stuff is situated cloud or mobile so isn't really much of a competitor in the application arena.

    And the best part of all is the media is thinking that Microsoft is now dead and buried, so nobody is paying much attention at all really to them as they get ready to hold the wake and party.

    This year is going to be quite fun.
    What a load of crap. Singlehandedly convinced businesses to move to Windows 7? Businesses are moving to Windows 7 because support for XP is finally ending, after an extension of several years. Businesses won't move to Windows 8 for years, if ever (they might move to Windows 9).

    Oh yes, the rest are going no where, even if they are outselling Microsoft at every turn in the mobile arena. Microsoft introduces touch to Windows and that is the most resounding thing since the Internet was invented? Seriously, you need to turn down the volume of your evangelising several notches, as even the most gullible can sense the BS behind it.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8.1 + StartIsBack + AeroGlass


    There's only two courses of action when you make a mistake as moronic as turning Windows into a stupid hybrid operating system. You can either rectify your mistake, finding new ways of becoming relevant in the mobile space without screwing up your flagship product in the process, or you can deny all evidence and push ahead ignoring all common sense and digging yourself into a deeper hole. Microsoft sees nothing wrong with their current strategy, so this is going to be one heck of a clusterf*ck, and it's going to be quite an experience to behold.
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  4. #14


    It is as simple as choice, why MS and others cannot see this is beyond me.

    If all they did was allow use of metro or traditional desktop at install 99% of all the crap would just go away imho.

    Thinking they could use their desktop users to leverage their way into mobile market was just not ever sound thinking, and has led to what they have now.
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  5. #15


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And your predictions about Apple before the release of the iPad?

    Microsoft must be really shaking in their boots about Apple. Around a quarter of a century ago Apple dominated the market, what share have they got now, oh yeah about 7%, wow, they're moving up fast. Except for a few highly overpriced laptops, they're almost extinct. In reply to: "Windows 7 beta now available"
    January 11, 2009
    And you would drop Windows if Microsoft brought back the desktop interface with the desktop start menu? Doesn't that contradict your statement that:

    Me, I like to move on.
    As in, whatever new Microsoft introduces.
    Wow, you're more of an expert on me, than me. There was a guy on Cnet about 6 months ago who said he'd gone back and read all my comments, now there's two of you. Maybe I'll have to find a publisher.

    It's funny that everyone always says that people are continually moving over to Macs and not looking back. If that's the case how come they're still on around 7%, same as exactly 4 years ago.

    Like I said Ray, I like to move on, bringing back any old stuff would be a backward step in the wrong direction. If they give people the option to put the Start Menu back in, okay, as long as they don't make it a feature.

    For all I care they can give you everything back as long as they keep it as an option, I don't want any of that other rubbish.
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  6. #16


    I don't understand why the percentage has stayed at 7 for Apple. I know quite a few people personally who have made the switch over to Mac, both friends as well as co-workers. At work, we had some Mac users a few years ago, but they all let the company. However, we have had a number of our senior developers switch to MacBook pros in the last year. So, we may not have any more Macs than we had before, it is a new group now using them. And we acquired a company who is almost exclusively Mac. We aren't switching them to pc, as they practically threatened a revolt if we did. They seem to be productive and happy with their Macs, so we are leaving well enough alone.

    To me, it's not the percentages, just what I experience and deal with personally that sets my opinions.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I don't understand why the percentage has stayed at 7 for Apple. I know quite a few people personally who have made the switch over to Mac, both friends as well as co-workers. At work, we had some Mac users a few years ago, but they all let the company. However, we have had a number of our senior developers switch to MacBook pros in the last year. So, we may not have any more Macs than we had before, it is a new group now using them. And we acquired a company who is almost exclusively Mac. We aren't switching them to pc, as they practically threatened a revolt if we did. They seem to be productive and happy with their Macs, so we are leaving well enough alone.

    To me, it's not the percentages, just what I experience and deal with personally that sets my opinions.
    Hi there
    I've actually seen the REVERSE too -- I've seen people swap Ipads for Samsung tablets and there is a HUGE pent up demand for the Surface Pro -- at least there is where I am.

    The whole area of laptops etc is a bit of a minefield currently --the dynamics of that market are changing almost DAILY. I do see a lot of people though also buying those Windows 8 "PC Convertables" which operate both in Laptop and Tablet mode.

    One can even use a large monitor connected via HDMI at Full HD resolution or better to a MOBILE PHONE and a Bluetooth keyboard so who knows what devices will be used in the workplace in the future. - Pic enc of MHL/micro USB ==>HDMI phone connector

    I've nothing against Macbooks apart from their price but as I said the whole dynamics of that market are very unpredictable. We need to see what happens as more "Capable" tablets come onstream.

    Just as the Doctor ordered == "Please don't forget to take your Tablets".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #18


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I don't understand why the percentage has stayed at 7 for Apple. I know quite a few people personally who have made the switch over to Mac, both friends as well as co-workers. At work, we had some Mac users a few years ago, but they all let the company. However, we have had a number of our senior developers switch to MacBook pros in the last year. So, we may not have any more Macs than we had before, it is a new group now using them. And we acquired a company who is almost exclusively Mac. We aren't switching them to pc, as they practically threatened a revolt if we did. They seem to be productive and happy with their Macs, so we are leaving well enough alone.

    To me, it's not the percentages, just what I experience and deal with personally that sets my opinions.
    Yeah well you can't go on your own experience, you can't even go by country, eg, Windows Phone 8 is over 10% in Italy and pretty high over a lot of Europe.

    I know why the percentage is still so low, it's because people go out and buy them while at the same time they're dropping off the other end. As far as I know they're just not as good as they're supposed to be, and they just don't have all the programmes Windows does. They're certainly not much good for people who like to fiddle with their machines.

    I had a Macintosh years ago, it was the most boring computer I've ever owned, I didn't have it for long.
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  9. #19


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    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Metro is a joke, a failure, and everybody knows it. Sadly though, some refuse to admit it. It doesn't really matter though, Ms will either rectify their mistake, or see continues ridicule.

    As for the predictable crowd who will rush in to the defense of 8(metro), don't bother. This is my opinion, and your shrill responses will simply be ignored by me.
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  10. #20


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Metro is a joke, a failure, and everybody knows it. Sadly though, some refuse to admit it. It doesn't really matter though, Ms will either rectify their mistake, or see continues ridicule.

    As for the predictable crowd who will rush in to the defense of 8(metro), don't bother. This is my opinion, and your shrill responses will simply be ignored by me.
    It's funny you're quoting almost exactly the same words they said about XP, only they were much worse and cutting, so it looks like Windows 8 will be a major hit.
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