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Windows 8 swells to 2.7% of OS market

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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    We have a laptop that is 4 years old with Vista.
    I don't want 50/50 app snap, I want fully customizing like I have today.
    I really loved the 50/50 Aero Snap feature in Windows 7 and 8, and I'd love to see that in the apps with Windows 8. It would had been MUCH better than the 33/66 snap right now.

    I can customize Windows 8 far better than vista, at least not so much for performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Microsoft may be looking at similar data, as this week the Windows group's director of communications, Christopher Flores, confirmed that the company would partner with OEMs to launch a second wave of promotions for Windows 8 hardware.

    Last weekend, U.S. retailer Best Buy kicked off a two-week deal that discounted touch-enabled Windows 8 PCs by $100.
    Computerworld
    Windows 8 uptake slows for third straight month - Computerworld

    I notice the usual corporate mindset is being displayed.
    "People aren't buying our product. We must run more ads!"
    The thought never crosses their tiny minds, that the problem is with the product, not the lack of adverting.
    "We're not wrong. The World is wrong."

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I don't understand why some think Microsoft should support a three year old OS just because it's the most used right now. That will end up with another xp....
    That's simple economics.

    MS is a minnow in the consumer market (tablets and phones).

    MS products are used by businesses (Windows and Office).
    The only reason they had to support XP, was that businesses refused to use Vista.

    If MS keeping p****** off their biggest customers, they won't have any market.
    If businesses refuse to buy W8, MS will have no choice but to support W7 (and build an OS that businesses want).

    Didn't MS already announce that W7 supposed to have support until 2020?

    Hi there.

    Having support is TOTALLY different to (from ??) DEVELOPING new products -- W7 is a relatively successful OS that won't need HUGE swathes of Ms to continue to support it so it can easily be done basically as a small "Side Show".

    Very few businesses can survive by just staying still or not introducing new products. In any case by 2020 the workplace and its use of technology is likely to be quite significantly different so the support needed for W7 by then could conceivably be done by "One man and his Dog in a one of those under the Railway arch places".

    Ms as far as business is concerned is probably (IMO a bit risky) gearing up to developing and supplying Cloud services where subscription rates and business license fees will net it oodles of dosh.

    Ms IMO is also addressing the fact that as most of you have already long realized that you tend to have FAR FAR better computing kit at home than are usually provided for you in the workplace (unless you have a BYOD policy at work) and therefore need to provide suitable platforms on which to run this gear. Nobody really predicted the HUGE HUGE increase in the use of modern mobile devices like smart phones and tablets and we will see shortly decent 3-D and Virtual reality kit. In the future Holographic systems will also appear -- developing software for these types of systems requires a long lead time and are about as far removed from the "traditional Desktop OS" as the Abacus is from a Cray super computer.

    W8 is only the START along this road --it will of course be refined as we go along and new hardware appears. By 2020 there could also be totally new applications around that we haven't even thought about too.

    I for one think Ms is actually doing something RIGHT - even though I accept W8 has loads of flaws and there are always stick in the muds who think Desktop computing will stay unchanged forever.

    W7 is fine if you want to work with a traditional desktop and not embrace anything new -- holographic projection, touch applications, extreme 3-D video etc etc. Nothing wrong IMO with W7 and if you like it continue to use it (you've got AT LEAST another 7 years to go) but I for one am GLAD Ms is moving forward even if they DO make a few mistakes on the way.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    If MS is as you say doing things right it is because they stumbled across it instead of designing for it.

    You can come up with all the excuses in the world but the numbers don't lie, the OS is a major dog in terms of sales. Without oem machines the numbers would be so bad I suspect they would never be seen.

    Holographic projection, touch apps, extreme 3d, yeah like either of these is poised to make a big breakout in the market. maybe in MS's eyes but that's about it.

    Still at this point I have not a single friend that will even try it. Cracks me up but there it is. MS with my way or the highway attitude does themselves no favours.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    If MS is as you say doing things right it is because they stumbled across it instead of designing for it.

    You can come up with all the excuses in the world but the numbers don't lie, the OS is a major dog in terms of sales. Without oem machines the numbers would be so bad I suspect they would never be seen.

    Holographic projection, touch apps, extreme 3d, yeah like either of these is poised to make a big breakout in the market. maybe in MS's eyes but that's about it.

    Still at this point I have not a single friend that will even try it. Cracks me up but there it is. MS with my way or the highway attitude does themselves no favours.
    It's a free market -- use it or not as you prefer -- W7 will remain for at least another 7 years -- but for someone to say they won't even TRY it especially as you can get a 90 day FREE evaluation seems to me not a very good method of approaching new ideas.

    What is it with people who condemn Ms for selling an OS THEY want to and think it's fit for purpose -- we don't get the same complaint when a CAR manufacturer stops selling a favourite model and pushes a new one which some people might HATE.

    Ms has a perfect right to make whatever it feels fit - or even to stop making Windows at all. The consumer in the end will decide and this isn't done in the next 3 days.

    Ms is still a publically quoted company and if investors think it's going nowhere the stock will get absolutely hammered.

    It's really DESKTOPS that are going nowhere -- or are an ever diminishing (and hence becoming a much less important) market so I don't think Ms is particularly looking to a future OS that is primarily Desktop orientated.

    A desktop will be regarded as just another plug in device like a smart phone / tablet or some other pieces of hardware we haven't even thought about. I'm sure that Ms will make some concessions to the classic desktop user but as far as future devices are concerned desktops are beginning to equate to "Dinosaur Technology".

    You might if you are a gamer even find in the not to distant future part of the OS dedicated purely for gaming to appear as well.

    Designing in a Modular fashion makes sense at it's easy to add new pieces etc as time passes.

    Cheers
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    [QUOTE=jimbo45;
    What is it with people who condemn Ms for selling an OS THEY want to and think it's fit for purpose -- we don't get the same complaint when a CAR manufacturer stops selling a favourite model and pushes a new one which some people might HATE.

    [/QUOTE]

    Sorry Jimbo there are many examples out there regarding car manufacturers so not a good example IMO.

    Like them or not but even Blackberry decided with their new 10 not to alienate their existing user base - offered with a touch or traditional querty keyboard. The problem with Win8 is the UI and it was not beyond the technical expertise of MS to offer either Metro (or whatever it's called) or Classic UI at install time.
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    [QUOTE=mart4494;201349]
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45;
    What is it with people who condemn Ms for selling an OS THEY want to and think it's fit for purpose -- we don't get the same complaint when a CAR manufacturer stops selling a favourite model and pushes a new one which some people might HATE.

    [/QUOTE

    Sorry Jimbo there are many examples out there regarding car manufacturers so not a good example IMO.

    Like them or not but even Blackberry decided with their new 10 not to alienate their existing user base - offered with a touch or traditional querty keyboard. The problem with Win8 is the UI and it was not beyond the technical expertise of MS to offer either Metro (or whatever it's called) or Classic UI at install time.
    Hi there
    the existing user base DOESN'T HAVE to upgrade -- if your current computer works fine and the way you work is suited to W7 then keep it.

    Blackberry is a different example as it's HARDWARE and you are buying NEW hardware.

    If you buy a different new brand of TV for example it won't (or even shouldn't) work in exactly the same way as your old one.

    The whole software market has plenty of example where some people don't like a newer release and stick with the old one -- for example the latest releases of Acronis IMO have a dreadful interface compared with the old classic Acronis True Image before they added all the Year prefixes such as Acronis Home 2011 etc.

    Actually as it's been pointed out many times it's not at all difficult to get W8 to function and behave almost identically to W7 and believe it ot not some people actually LIKE the metro idea -- I'm not one of them though -- I'd prefer the updating tiles to be bought back as "Gadgets" again - but this of course wouldn't work on a small smart phone screen.

    We shall see what happens --remember this is purely a FIRST iteration for Ms in this type of market.

    I'm not sure what people expect Ms to do -- do you really WANT to see Ms go out of business. They won't make it by staying with an essentially Dinosaur (although well performing) OS -- W7--that has an ever diminishing marketdue to the declining (and quite large declining) use of desktop PC's -- Ms needs to embrace NEW devices for which support in W7 can't easily be done -- if it were that easy we'd still be running XP (albeit the 64 bit version).

    I'll bet that if you walk into a PC store these days --if you can still find any Physical stores around -- you probably won't see ANY desktop work stations any more -- if you want one of these you'll probably have to build it yourself --which people do of course.

    Anyway I agree that W8 has SOME problems --not nearly as bad as people make out -- but I'm glad Ms is looking at supporting new hardware rather than just concentrating on essentially a DYING scenario --the classic desktop.

    I'm actually replying now to a load of these posts by using in test a VOICE activated application -- seems to be working fine on W8 -- the device wouldn't even THINK of working on W7 --and apart from the initial set up of trying to get the dialect right it is working much quicker than I expected - and comparable with typing. (I don't think though I'd like to use one of these devices all the time though - but it's quite nice while having a nice drink in your hand and watching some sports videos at the same time).

    (After the basic post it does require some editing -- quotes from prev posters typos and caps and attachments where appropriate - but the quality of hardware will significantly improve in the future.).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Blackberry is a different example as it's HARDWARE and you are buying NEW hardware.


    jimbo
    My point about Blackberry Jimbo was not alienating the existing user base. Agreed that things have to move on (if that's what folks want) with their software but all MS had to do was offer choice at install time. Then if the Metro UI was 'accepted' then the users could have changed from Classic to Modern.

    Win8 has some good features but it's that UI that jumps out - in your face and many people aren't going past that. Call it being lazy or whatever you choose but that is a fact of life as I see it.
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    [QUOTE=mart4494;201349]
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45;
    What is it with people who condemn Ms for selling an OS THEY want to and think it's fit for purpose -- we don't get the same complaint when a CAR manufacturer stops selling a favourite model and pushes a new one which some people might HATE.

    [/QUOTE

    Sorry Jimbo there are many examples out there regarding car manufacturers so not a good example IMO.

    Like them or not but even Blackberry decided with their new 10 not to alienate their existing user base - offered with a touch or traditional querty keyboard. The problem with Win8 is the UI and it was not beyond the technical expertise of MS to offer either Metro (or whatever it's called) or Classic UI at install time.
    It wouldn't matter if Microsoft had given people choice, they still would have complained, they complained when Windows 7 came out and they complained when XP came out. Like I've always said, the biggest danger to MS is Windows users not Apple and not Google. Look at all the people still on XP.
    Microsoft has to change and adapt or die, regardless what people think. I totally agree with Jimbo, it's their business, they have to call the shots. The desktop is dying, slowly, but it is dying, I personally use a tablet and smartphone a lot more than I do a PC. What I really want is a full blown PC on a tablet, aka Surface or Surface Pro.
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    [/QUOTE]


    I'm actually replying now to a load of these posts by using in test a VOICE activated application -- seems to be working fine on W8 -- the device wouldn't even THINK of working on W7 --and apart from the initial set up of trying to get the dialect right it is working much quicker than I expected - and comparable with typing. (I don't think though I'd like to use one of these devices all the time though - but it's quite nice while having a nice drink in your hand and watching some sports videos at the same time).

    (After the basic post it does require some editing -- quotes from prev posters typos and caps and attachments where appropriate - but the quality of hardware will significantly improve in the future.).

    Cheers
    jimbo[/QUOTE]


    I've been enjoying MS built-in Voice Recognition since Vista. Even with a speech impediment.
    No matter how much I use it, there are some things it just refuses to get right. In my case, whenever I said " Hi Jim" it typed " high jump" and that is not LOL
    Then I learned the fast way to teach it my problem words. All I have to do is say " open Speech Dictionary", spell the word into it and record word (only say the word once). It never has the problem again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    It's coming....
    Well, quite impressive for an OS that is much hated by stubborn peoples that don't want to see Windows 8's positive side.
    I see. So, it's not the product's fault that nobody wants it, it's the people's fault for not swallowing the kool-aid....

    Freakin' priceless....
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