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Windows 8 swells to 2.7% of OS market

  1. #241


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Unfortunately I cannot get the shared clipboard to work (but drag/drop works). Mint is the only distro where the shared clipboard does not work. I have it working with Ubuntu and Zorin - and also with Windows 8.
    I have VMware Workstation (v7.1.6) and VMware Player (v5).

    I have a problem with my Ubuntu 10 VM with Copy and Paste to/from the host (it works one way, but not the other).
    It could be a problem with that VM though, as it was created by merging 2 Ubuntu VMs into one.

    It works correctly with my XP and W7 VMs.
    I'll have to check my Linux Mint VMs.
    I would be interested to know how the clipboard sharing works on your Mint. On my system it works for all systems (Ubuntu, Zorin, Windows8) except Mint.

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  2. #242


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    Bill
    I did get upset with people
    Is that normal behaviour?
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  3. #243


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    You're welcome. I was the same way. Taskbar or desktop shortcuts. Start Menu was a PITA to use IMO. The only time I used it was WinKey -> right arrow -> Enter.

    I always disliked the mouse. I'm using more of the shortcut keys to navigate. More WinKey then ever. Navigating much faster than in 7.
    I really wish I'd never grown so used to the mouse, shortcut keys are much faster, though I must admit, even with the mouse I can navigate Windows 8 a lot faster than I ever could Windows 7. Windows 7 is almost dead to me.
    I agree about the mouse for navigation. A short while back I disciplined myself to use the mouse forgetting the keys for about a week just to learn how to use the hot corners, charms, power user menu, wheel scrolling, etc. to get a sense of touch navigation. It reinforced in me all the more to get a touch monitor, which I think will be the fastest.
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  4. #244


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is strange.

    I liked Vista.

    When I realised a lot of people didn't (to put it mildly), I didn't get upset. I didn't make up all sorts of rubbish. I didn't go into a state of denial.
    I liked Vista too, but yeah I did get upset with people, much as I do now, simply because a lot of criticisms were and are unfounded. I'm sure Ray will go through 4 or 5 years of my comments now to make sure I really did like Vista, but I really did.
    Why can't we just keep moving on, I'm bursting at the seams to see what's in Windows Blue and Windows Purple and Windows Orange.
    There is a BIG difference between the Vista criticisms at the time and the one on Windows 8. Most of the people that badmouthed Vista had never used it and did not have the faintest idea what it was - as was proven by the Microsoft Mojave project.

    The people here that have issues with Windows 8 have used it for a whole year and know the system very well. I myself made at least 10 tutorials about Windows 8 - but I still don't like it.
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  5. #245


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is strange. I liked Vista. When I realised a lot of people didn't (to put it mildly), I didn't get upset. I didn't make up all sorts of rubbish. I didn't go into a state of denial.
    I liked Vista too, but yeah I did get upset with people, much as I do now, simply because a lot of criticisms were and are unfounded. I'm sure Ray will go through 4 or 5 years of my comments now to make sure I really did like Vista, but I really did.Why can't we just keep moving on, I'm bursting at the seams to see what's in Windows Blue and Windows Purple and Windows Orange.
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  6. #246


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    No need, I'm simply waiting to see what you do when Microsoft brings back the start menu and makes the MPI optional.
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  7. #247


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    These Start Menu facts along with market demand for touch led MS to the creation of the Start Screen. The full screen is in proportion to the human finger, which is where the size of the Start Menu failed. They have to move on to touch-based UIs or die.
    But yet, except for the Windows Phone 8 users and the Surface users and the other tablet users, the overwhelming majority of us don't have touchscreen monitors, and probably won't for quite some time. An option to not use the touch centric display on our non touch hardware wouldn't have been a bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You obviously have never worked with a touch enabled desktop monitor....

    If you do things like Photoshop and AutoCAD and other tedious things, a mouse can't cut it at all. It's not natural to use.
    I'm going to VEHEMENTLY disagree with you on this statement. I had to setup a tradeshow for our company using 5 Acer All in One Touchscreen systems running Windows 8 and it did NOTHING to make me like touchscreens any better. I've got the Acers back in the office and have 1 setup at my desk area, and while I do use this computer, i never, ever, ever touch the screen. I just don't. I don't like it, I don't like cleaning fingerprints off the monitor and I don't like switching planes with my hands.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Believe you me, once you actually TOUCH Windows, the WHOLE experience you've been used changes to something totally different and something so useful and just really fun to use. Not going to lie...
    Well, like I said above, touch did not blow me away. People in the office thought it was super cool, but my IT team basically said, "meh". It feels like a novelty, and while it's nice for demonstrating something with somebody, for day to day productive uses....NOPE...I don't like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    There is a BIG difference between the Vista criticisms at the time and the one on Windows 8. Most of the people that badmouthed Vista had never used it and did not have the faintest idea what it was - as was proven by the Microsoft Mojave project.
    Some of us experienced significant issues on the Vista release. Prior to SP1 and right out of the gate, 3rd party support was bad. Machines didn't perform well. After SP1, Vista was ok. My wife has a vista laptop at home that we got after SP1 and it's just fine. However, I do find that Vista at work is the one OS that seems to hang and do strange unexplained things during Windows updates, shutdowns, etc. Usually once I start having problems, I upgrade the user to Windows 7. Supporting 7 over Vista has been a big improvement as far as I am concerned.
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  8. #248


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    It's interesting to hear that Photoshop, AutoCAD etc are not natural to use with existing technology, but touch makes them as natural as scratching your butt. I'm surprised that graphic artists, photographers, architects and engineers have managed to produce anything to date, without touch enabled monitors. I'm simply gobsmacked that I can produce large format prints from RAW images with nothing but a keyboard and mouse.
    That's because the software has to adapt around the mouse, not the other way around. But many many graphic artists, architects, all the above generally will use a touchscreen or a touch pad versus a mouse. Even most architects still draw plans by hand, THEN go to AutoCAD to make a digital copy give the buttcrack plumber to. Drawing with a mouse sucks, simple as that, at least compared to a touch input. Even Photoshoppers that use a mouse every day and all day that go to a Wacom Bamboo tablet will sing joyous praise of it because it makes things SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better to use.

    I don't understand why anyone would use the mouse to draw, just because it's how people say to use a PC DOES NOT EVEN equate to a proper experience. You don't take a mouse and physically draw on a piece of paper do you? No.

    Also, I get pissy at the end of the day after drawing in AutoCAD as it's just too tedious of a task for me to do that I just become mildly rabid.
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  9. #249


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    If you go back and see what post I was referring to, you'll see that the attacks are now suggesting that I'm bitter because Microsoft has wronged me in some way and that's the cause of my criticism of Windows 8. Hardly an argument based on facts.
    Well, Ray, you and others seem to be bitter because MS is not giving you (and others) "your way" that you had in 7. Your own words in your next paragragh shows that you've been deprived of "your way" way in 8, when in fact you can have it "your way", but you don't see it that way. They simply present it in a "different way". A better way IMO. Welcome to the new way MS is going present Modern OSs from now on.

    I don't care what Microsoft uses as an argument for the MPI, many, many, people don't like it and want what they had with Windows 7. Yes, I'm one that uses the taskbar for my most frequent programs (not apps, as I don't have any apps with Windows 7), but I also have some programs on the desktop and also use the start button for less used programs.
    Your "many, many people" looks to me to be a minority according to our forum polls. I suggest you look them up.

    Relate this to say a kitchen. You have the things that you use all the time readily at hand (the taskbar) such as knives, forks, spoons, cups and plates etc. The things that you use less often are stored away in easily accessible cupboards (desktop) such as deep fryers, larger pots and pans etc. And the things that you use less frequently again, are stored away much deeper in cupboards and lower draws (the start button) such as baking trays etc. It all, of course, depends on your cooking/eating preferences.

    What Microsoft has done is create a single wall with nooks that contain all of your kitchen implements, everything is visible at the same time and the best that you can do is shift things amongst the nooks. You no longer have cupboards, shelves, draws, sliding draws, hooks etc. It's all flat. You no longer have everything readily at hand, but must move away from the workspace to access your cooking implements. Your kitchen now controls you, not the other way around.
    Geez, not another analogy. Is this all you people come up with is analogies? Good grief! This is a menu on a dining table (updating in real time) not a kitchen. e.g. Instead of "$ Market Price" after Lobster, it gives the current price so as to decide whether to order or not.

    No, Ray. I like all my "stuff" visible the way I arrange it on the "wall" menu. Not the way MS wanted it in the old menu. I see number of & from whom with live email tile, weather stats in places I choose, news headlines from sources I choose, scrolling pictures of people I care for, stock market info, etc. It's like this:

    Attachment 17783

    I left you a note on my note tile, Ray.
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  10. #250


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    These Start Menu facts along with market demand for touch led MS to the creation of the Start Screen. The full screen is in proportion to the human finger, which is where the size of the Start Menu failed. They have to move on to touch-based UIs or die.
    But yet, except for the Windows Phone 8 users and the Surface users and the other tablet users, the overwhelming majority of us don't have touchscreen monitors, and probably won't for quite some time. An option to not use the touch centric display on our non touch hardware wouldn't have been a bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You obviously have never worked with a touch enabled desktop monitor....

    If you do things like Photoshop and AutoCAD and other tedious things, a mouse can't cut it at all. It's not natural to use.
    I'm going to VEHEMENTLY disagree with you on this statement. I had to setup a tradeshow for our company using 5 Acer All in One Touchscreen systems running Windows 8 and it did NOTHING to make me like touchscreens any better. I've got the Acers back in the office and have 1 setup at my desk area, and while I do use this computer, i never, ever, ever touch the screen. I just don't. I don't like it, I don't like cleaning fingerprints off the monitor and I don't like switching planes with my hands.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Believe you me, once you actually TOUCH Windows, the WHOLE experience you've been used changes to something totally different and something so useful and just really fun to use. Not going to lie...
    Well, like I said above, touch did not blow me away. People in the office thought it was super cool, but my IT team basically said, "meh". It feels like a novelty, and while it's nice for demonstrating something with somebody, for day to day productive uses....NOPE...I don't like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    There is a BIG difference between the Vista criticisms at the time and the one on Windows 8. Most of the people that badmouthed Vista had never used it and did not have the faintest idea what it was - as was proven by the Microsoft Mojave project.
    Some of us experienced significant issues on the Vista release. Prior to SP1 and right out of the gate, 3rd party support was bad. Machines didn't perform well. After SP1, Vista was ok. My wife has a vista laptop at home that we got after SP1 and it's just fine. However, I do find that Vista at work is the one OS that seems to hang and do strange unexplained things during Windows updates, shutdowns, etc. Usually once I start having problems, I upgrade the user to Windows 7. Supporting 7 over Vista has been a big improvement as far as I am concerned.
    IT people it seems don't care for actual CHANGES to a traditional method I've found. If it works, it works, leave it alone for 10 years. That's just the thinking, so touching Windows 8 isn't going to be worthwhile, but for EVERYONE else, that's otherwise.

    I have to say this, Windows 7 was actually the first REALLY touch centric OS. Go back to vista, and then use 7. What do you notice? Larger window control buttons, thicker border padding, larger Taskbar conveniently the size of the average tip of a human finger. If you use Windows 7, you're using a touch centric, touch optimize operating system. That's that.

    And actually, false, if you have a new Windows 8 laptop PC that doesn't have touchscreen, you STILL have touch gesturing available to use with the touchpads on them. The very same swiping actions on a touchscreen are applicable to the touchpads, it's then just point and click. You can do that with Windows 8, right? Or do you have to buy a touch monitor to tap something open? I'm confused.
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