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Windows 8 swells to 2.7% of OS market

  1. #221


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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    thanks for the suggestions with Vmware and Linux Mint ,i will give them all a try
    If you have any questions, let me know.

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  2. #222


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think the luvvies are getting desperate, given that they are now trying emotional tactics rather than facts, which they fail at completely. Yes I agree, it's the user interface that I'm talking about and that really is the so-called crowning glory of Windows 8, the app screen. What's the opposite of the Oscars? Is it the Razzies? Then that's what the MPI deserves, a Golden Razzie for forsaking all the hard earned userbase for a bit of touchy feely fluff.
    Want facts, Ray? Here's some facts:

    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    To really bring this all home, let’s take a look at where people are pinning their apps. Figure 4 reveals that 85% of people have three or more items pinned to the taskbar compared to a mere 23% who have the same number pinned to the Start menu. Although the taskbar and Start menu have different pinned defaults, many people do customize both of them when they want to. The message is clear that the majority of people want most of their apps on the taskbar rather than having to dig into Start.

    A new opportunity for Start

    With the Windows taskbar becoming the key launcher and switcher for the desktop, and the Start menu being revealed as a poor everyday launcher, an opportunity appeared to reimagine Start and make it into something more valuable. Since we now know most of you can (and do) just use the taskbar to access the things you commonly use on the desktop, this freed us up to make Start even better at its unique strengths and to unlock new scenarios. Improved search, more room for all your programs, tiles that are alive with activity, and richer customization all suddenly become possible when the venerable, but aging, Start menu is transformed into a modern Start screen. Stay tuned for our next post, where we’ll talk about the Start screen and how it represents the way we use our PCs today.
    These Start Menu facts along with market demand for touch led MS to the creation of the Start Screen. The full screen is in proportion to the human finger, which is where the size of the Start Menu failed. They have to move on to touch-based UIs or die.

    More on the reason for Modern/Metro:

    Designing Metro style: principles and personality | BUILD2011 | Channel 9

    If you want to stay in the 20th century, that's your business. Perhaps you may not like to take risks. We choose to move onto new ways as we always have.
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  3. #223


    South Coast NSW, Australia
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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Touch on a desktop/big laptop really is a solution in search of a (non-existent) problem.

    It's one 'innovation' that I'll be actively avoiding.

    It's fine on tabs or phones, but putting it on a desktop is a fool's errand, IMO.

    Wenda.
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  4. #224


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think the luvvies are getting desperate, given that they are now trying emotional tactics rather than facts, which they fail at completely. Yes I agree, it's the user interface that I'm talking about and that really is the so-called crowning glory of Windows 8, the app screen. What's the opposite of the Oscars? Is it the Razzies? Then that's what the MPI deserves, a Golden Razzie for forsaking all the hard earned userbase for a bit of touchy feely fluff.
    Want facts, Ray? Here's some facts:

    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    To really bring this all home, let’s take a look at where people are pinning their apps. Figure 4 reveals that 85% of people have three or more items pinned to the taskbar compared to a mere 23% who have the same number pinned to the Start menu. Although the taskbar and Start menu have different pinned defaults, many people do customize both of them when they want to. The message is clear that the majority of people want most of their apps on the taskbar rather than having to dig into Start.

    A new opportunity for Start

    With the Windows taskbar becoming the key launcher and switcher for the desktop, and the Start menu being revealed as a poor everyday launcher, an opportunity appeared to reimagine Start and make it into something more valuable. Since we now know most of you can (and do) just use the taskbar to access the things you commonly use on the desktop, this freed us up to make Start even better at its unique strengths and to unlock new scenarios. Improved search, more room for all your programs, tiles that are alive with activity, and richer customization all suddenly become possible when the venerable, but aging, Start menu is transformed into a modern Start screen. Stay tuned for our next post, where we’ll talk about the Start screen and how it represents the way we use our PCs today.
    These Start Menu facts along with market demand for touch led MS to the creation of the Start Screen. The full screen is in proportion to the human finger, which is where the size of the Start Menu failed. They have to move on to touch-based UIs or die.

    More on the reason for Modern/Metro:

    Designing Metro style: principles and personality | BUILD2011 | Channel 9

    If you want to stay in the 20th century, that's your business. Perhaps you may not like to take risks. We choose to move onto new ways as we always have.
    If you go back and see what post I was referring to, you'll see that the attacks are now suggesting that I'm bitter because Microsoft has wronged me in some way and that's the cause of my criticism of Windows 8. Hardly an argument based on facts.

    I don't care what Microsoft uses as an argument for the MPI, many, many, people don't like it and want what they had with Windows 7. Yes, I'm one that uses the taskbar for my most frequent programs (not apps, as I don't have any apps with Windows 7), but I also have some programs on the desktop and also use the start button for less used programs.

    Relate this to say a kitchen. You have the things that you use all the time readily at hand (the taskbar) such as knives, forks, spoons, cups and plates etc. The things that you use less often are stored away in easily accessible cupboards (desktop) such as deep fryers, larger pots and pans etc. And the things that you use less frequently again, are stored away much deeper in cupboards and lower draws (the start button) such as baking trays etc. It all, of course, depends on your cooking/eating preferences.

    What Microsoft has done is create a single wall with nooks that contain all of your kitchen implements, everything is visible at the same time and the best that you can do is shift things amongst the nooks. You no longer have cupboards, shelves, draws, sliding draws, hooks etc. It's all flat. You no longer have everything readily at hand, but must move away from the workspace to access your cooking implements. Your kitchen now controls you, not the other way around.
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  5. #225


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Touch on a desktop/big laptop really is a solution in search of a (non-existent) problem.

    It's one 'innovation' that I'll be actively avoiding.

    It's fine on tabs or phones, but putting it on a desktop is a fool's errand, IMO.

    Wenda.
    You obviously have never worked with a touch enabled desktop monitor....

    If you do things like Photoshop and AutoCAD and other tedious things, a mouse can't cut it at all. It's not natural to use.

    Also, if you think you can replace your current monitor with a touch one and say it's terrible, I'm going to be the a-hole here, but you're doing it wrong.
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  6. #226


    South Coast NSW, Australia
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    Sorry, CB, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    I have no need for one, and no desire for one, and can't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

    Wenda.
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  7. #227


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Sorry, CB, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    I have no need for one, and no desire for one, and can't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

    Wenda.
    For the foreseeable future...

    Believe you me, once you actually TOUCH Windows, the WHOLE experience you've been used changes to something totally different and something so useful and just really fun to use. Not going to lie...
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  8. #228


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    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Sorry, CB, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    I have no need for one, and no desire for one, and can't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

    Wenda.
    For the foreseeable future...

    Believe you me, once you actually TOUCH Windows, the WHOLE experience you've been used changes to something totally different and something so useful and just really fun to use. Not going to lie...

    I have, on a Surface RT. I liked it there.

    Which is why I said I'd buy a Surface RT if I could get one in the 7" size at a reasonable price.

    Just not on a desktop. Not unless there's an option to turn it off.

    As I said earlier, touch on a desktop = flyscreen doors on submarines.

    Wenda.
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  9. #229


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Sorry, CB, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    I have no need for one, and no desire for one, and can't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

    Wenda.
    For the foreseeable future...

    Believe you me, once you actually TOUCH Windows, the WHOLE experience you've been used changes to something totally different and something so useful and just really fun to use. Not going to lie...

    I have, on a Surface RT. I liked it there.

    Which is why I said I'd buy a Surface RT if I could get one in the 7" size at a reasonable price.

    Just not on a desktop. Not unless there's an option to turn it off.

    As I said earlier, touch on a desktop = flyscreen doors on submarines.

    Wenda.
    That seems strange to me. I prefer a nice 27 inch touchscreen over a 7 inch one, especially one that tilts...
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  10. #230


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    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    As I said, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    I like touch on my phone or tab, but have no need or desire for it on my desktop/laptop.

    Put it down to personal choice. My car has a steering wheel and a foot clutch, and they work well.

    But I wouldn't want them on my motorcycle.

    Wenda.
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