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Windows 8 swells to 2.7% of OS market

  1. #191


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
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    Nice how you cut off how i mentioned they would be at a position other than vertical :>.

    It simply involves the touchscreen being at a different orientation and position to what you are used to normally to make it feel natural for touch. Think more in terms of laying a monitor flat on a traditional drafting table.
    Now let me understand this. I put my 22" screen flat on my desk and put my keyboard on top - or how. Or put a pullout for the keyboard under my desk and use one of those swivel mountings that Bill is talking about. Then I am back to the 4 foot arm requirement. Show me a picture on how you envision a comfortable setup for a 75 year old man.
    A Surface Pro.
    How do you figure I do my Gimp jobs on an itty bitty Surface screen - remember I have only 40% eyesight.

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  2. #192


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Now let me understand this. I put my 22" screen flat on my desk and put my keyboard on top - or how. Or put a pullout for the keyboard under my desk and use one of those swivel mountings that Bill is talking about. Then I am back to the 4 foot arm requirement. Show me a picture on how you envision a comfortable setup for a 75 year old man.
    A Surface Pro.
    How do you figure I do my Gimp jobs on an itty bitty Surface screen - remember I have only 40% eyesight.
    You're a funny guy for an old timer, what about using one of those things they use in a Church, what is it again a pew. That way you can get closer to it.
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  3. #193


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    Actually.. i'm going to flip the script here. Forget about the size of the screen for a minute or the size of the machine and solely consider the functionality. Are you telling me that traditional PC systems that provide an architecture that can run multiple threaded event-driven applications that intercommunicate would in no way be enhanced by the ability to provide a touchscreen interface? As opposed to keyboard and mouse? Like say a sprinkler system. A security system. A system to drive power plants.

    Simply being shortsighted in saying that you'll never use touch on a PC with a screen larger than a tablet because the current defacto form factor for monitors makes it impractical is just being silly. Its just a matter of discovering a setup people are comfortable with, and then the world changes.
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    Bill, I appreciate that you are trying hard. But you will not convince me. For serious work I need the muscle of my desktop and my 22" screen running at 150% DPI.

    A tablet for me is a gadget for on the go and my $ 230 Nexus 7 does everything I need to do on the go. I put on my special glasses and keep it half a foot from my eyes and I can even see what's on the screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Bill, I appreciate that you are trying hard. But you will not convince me. For serious work I need the muscle of my desktop and my 22" screen running at 150% DPI.

    A tablet for me is a gadget for on the go and my $ 230 Nexus 7 does everything I need to do on the go. I put on my special glasses and keep it half a foot from my eyes and I can even see what's on the screen.
    Come on now whs, you can't tell me a Core i5 with 4 GB of ram is not fast enough for you, it's faster than my old E8400 Core2 Duo. What do you do CAD drawing for a Space Programme. I can rip a 50GB Blu Ray movie in about 30 minutes on my old beast.
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    By hell or high water, some are trying to force touch onto those that are more than happy with the traditional mouse/keyboard interface. What is it with some people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Bill, I appreciate that you are trying hard. But you will not convince me. For serious work I need the muscle of my desktop and my 22" screen running at 150% DPI.

    A tablet for me is a gadget for on the go and my $ 230 Nexus 7 does everything I need to do on the go. I put on my special glasses and keep it half a foot from my eyes and I can even see what's on the screen.
    Come on now whs, you can't tell me a Core i5 with 4 GB of ram is not fast enough for you, it's faster than my old E8400 Core2 Duo. What do you do CAD drawing for a Space Programme. I can rip a 50GB Blu Ray movie in about 30 minutes on my old beast.
    Lame duck compared to my specs (see below) plus OCZ Vector. And when you do any serious video work, you'll feel the difference. And how am I going to run all my virtual machines in 4GBs.


    Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770 - Newegg.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    By hell or high water, some are trying to force touch onto those that are more than happy with the traditional mouse/keyboard interface. What is it with some people?
    Actually.. nobody is trying to force touch on you. Thats why Microsoft made sure to solidify its flank with Windows 7. But it is where the industry is headed, whether Apple likes it or not. Any developer that doesn't develop for Windows for the 4-way input(touch/pen/kb/mouse), along with mobile apps to show off parts of their tools, is simply developing obsolete software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    By hell or high water, some are trying to force touch onto those that are more than happy with the traditional mouse/keyboard interface. What is it with some people?
    Who is doing that Ray, no one is forcing you to do anything, I think you're seeing those Windmills again. You can use whatever you want, I myself don't have a touch screen monitor yet, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't consider one, or call them a waste of time.

    I'm sure there are plenty of people who could find a use for these things, are you scared of the future or something, you seem to constantly dismiss anything new MS does
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    If not being forced, why is there no optional desktop, aka Windows 7, available in Windows 8? All of my programs from Office 2010 to Adobe Creative Suite 4 and Lightroom, to my navigation programs, have touch capability on my Windows 7 tablet. But because of the screen size, touch with those programs is pointless unless I magnify the screen to 150-200%.

    I don't use apps, and what's available are pretty much rubbish anyway, so I removed Windows 8 and went back to Windows 7. Touch is fine on a phone or small device, but even on my 10" tablet it's far from useful. Even Blackberry acknowledged it's traditional userbase by providing a tactile keyboard on one of its new devices, as that is often far more effective than a touch screen keyboard.
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