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Windows 8 swells to 2.7% of OS market

  1. #111


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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    What would happen if MS were to close down tomorrow, I know what would happen, the world would be in turmoil.
    If MS disappeared tomorrow, it would have little effect (except on the employees, BOD, shareholders and the stock brokers).

    Everyone would continue to use what they already have.
    There would be a lot of "hand wringing" over what to buy next though (Apple or Linux).
    Little effect huh? Maybe you should step back to reality.
    Yeah everyone would just pull out their iPad Mini and play Angry Birds and the world would be back to normal. Tim Cook.

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  2. #112


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    As Bill recently pointed out, I've just taken the plunge and bought my first-ever tablet.
    It's a basic entry-level 7", as I like the portability over the larger tabs, and runs ICS.
    IF I could have gotten a 7" Surface 'Mini" with W8RT for a good price, I'd certainly have
    considered it as I did like the Surface RT that I got to play with some time ago.
    But, IMO, the 10 and 11" tabs are either too big for the horsepower they pack, or too
    expensive (looking at you, Surface Pro).
    I don't plan on writing databases or spreadsheets, or my video-editing on it, I have machines
    that are far more suitable for those tasks. But it will let me do all I can do on my (Android
    Gingerbread) smart-phone and more, while still being easily portable and much easier on
    these old eyes. It was mainly purchased for basic computing when I'm away from home, as
    an e-book reader & for light entertainment.
    It won't replace my smart-phone OR my desktop/laptop machines, but will be a valuable
    complement to BOTH of them.
    I'm smiling.

    Wenda.
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  3. #113


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I don't think it really matters what we all think, Microsoft had to make a business decision to stay relevant. Maybe they've pissed a lot of people off, but lets face it, they've been doing that with every incremental change.
    I remember people raving about how great Windows 7 was.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Why can't people just accept this as an attempt to stay relevant and look into the future and see that they had no other choice.
    Because I don't feel this was necessary to stay relevant. They could easily introduce Windows Phone 8, and Surface RT and Surface Pro and give the desktop users a choice as to what they preferred...either the new tablet style interface or the "classic" desktop style. I don't use anything "tablet-esque" on my desktop, I don't use a touchscreen, I don't want to use a touchscreen. They alienated a bunch of users by removing choice and making themselves more like Apple by locking it down and making it their way or no way. To that, I say "no thanks, not really interested".

    I don't begrudge them their future, but I won't just sit back and accept Windows 8 for what it is. It's a pretty lame ass attempt to try to kludge two totally separate ideas together and it went together like Chocolate ice cream and onions. I'm hoping somebody else comes along and provides something a lot better and gets MS moving. We need competition now more than ever.

    I think we all consider that, but I don't think those of us who dislike Windows 8 are alone. I seriously think if you ask 100 people whether or not MS got this one right, more people are likely to say No.


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Why can't you accept this as a first attempt and lets see how it all pans out. I think MS might have got the message by now, but I don't think you can recode everything in a couple of days.
    I think that MANY of us are just waiting to see how things pan out. I didn't upgrade any machines myself, but I haven't sworn off Windows. I haven't given up on them. But I'm not too whipped up about this release and I feel it completely justified to let them know. Otherwise, it might not get better.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I personally find it exciting to be at the cutting edge of tech and to see change, I get bored with the same old rubbish. I think this is one of the most exciting times in tech for a very long time and I hope Microsoft becomes part of the change.
    I love technology too, and I like to see what's cutting edge. But I will decide whether or not I want to use it or like it.

    Microsoft is in a tough position because they have the most established user base in the world. And these users are accustomed to doing tasks in a particular way. This release is a very radical change from this typical style, and for many, it's ahead of the curve. Many, including myself, are not whipped up at all about these smallish "apps" taking over on our desktops. I want full fledged, full power applications. Not facebook phone apps on my PC. I've been using computers for a long time with a keyboard and a mouse and I'm not excited about the prospects of using a touch display. It just doesn't suit me, the world isn't ready for it yet, I'm not efficient with it, and it's just flat out annoying for me. I hate cleaning off the fingerprints, I hate changing planes with my hands. The only thing that I honestly like is it's easier for demonstrating something for somebody.

    As I have always maintained, I think the biggest issue here is lack of choice. It's something that it seems we have always had more of in the past, and it seems to slowly be going away. This doesn't excite many of us.
    A LOT of people loved Windows 7, but I do remember the initial complaints about how the Taskbar was "too big" but then people got used to it. A very few extremists said 7 was meh compared to vista.

    Now, if Microsoft did that with Windows Phone, Surface RT and ESPECIALLY Pro, that would had really fragmented the frack out the Windows operating system. You wouldn't be able to work like you would on a Surface Pro because of the Start Screen versus menu. It would be redundant to do that, and would retrospectively be redundant to have kept two UI options in Windows 8 because hypothetically, 5-10 years from now, this will be such a non-issue and people will be looking for Start Screen improvements over Start Screen removal. I don't own a touchscreen, but I do want to own one because of Windows 8. I use a Microsoft Touch Mouse to use Windows 8, maybe that is why I give it praise because I have all the touch gestures there available to me with my mouse. I know for a fact in 10 years, that device will be on the shelf of technological history right along with the DVD, CD, floppy disk, and boobtube monitors.

    If you asked people back when with Office 2007 if they got that one right, they would have said no to that one. But if you ask those same people if they think Office 2010 or 2013 was done right, a majority would say yes. No one is wanting to go back to the days of drop down menus anymore. Keep that in mind.

    I will tell you right now for a pretty solid fact that Microsoft is continually improving Windows. Even the Blue update is supposed to bring changes to it, like baby tiles that are on Windows Phone. That sounds menial, but will probably make a HUGE difference overall. I'm kind of waiting to see this pans out as well with the Blue wave, this is new territory for everyone.

    To me, I still don't get how Windows 8 is a removal of choice. If anything, it's more choice than few. If you do the Desktop, that's your choice and you can use the Start Screen to do that. If you the new apps (a new choice that wasn't in 7 or before) you can easily do that as well. If you want both, no problem there. Want to put an image on the Start Screen, use a third party app. You want to use the mouse, a keyboard, and a touchscreen? Windows 8 is the choice for that. If you want a true example of removal of choice, use mac os x for a while and tell me that's not a removal of choice.
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  4. #114


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    As Bill recently pointed out, I've just taken the plunge and bought my first-ever tablet.
    It's a basic entry-level 7", as I like the portability over the larger tabs, and runs ICS.
    IF I could have gotten a 7" Surface 'Mini" with W8RT for a good price, I'd certainly have
    considered it as I did like the Surface RT that I got to play with some time ago.
    But, IMO, the 10 and 11" tabs are either too big for the horsepower they pack, or too
    expensive (looking at you, Surface Pro).
    I don't plan on writing databases or spreadsheets, or my video-editing on it, I have machines
    that are far more suitable for those tasks. But it will let me do all I can do on my (Android
    Gingerbread) smart-phone and more, while still being easily portable and much easier on these
    old eyes.
    It won't replace my smart-phone OR my desktop/laptop machines, but will be a valuable
    complement to BOTH of them.
    I'm smiling.

    Wenda.
    How much was that?
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  5. #115


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    A$129.00, CB, with a USB modem (ISP-tied) thrown in.

    As I said, it's fairly basic, certainly no Surface or iPad, but is pretty good value for what it is.

    And Surface prices may come down to my level in the future, I haven't written them off.

    Wenda.

    EDIT: - I actually prefer the term 'slate', rather than tablet.

    In my day tablets in your pocket were usually Quaaludes or similar... :-)
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  6. #116


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    A$129.00, CB, with a USB modem (ISP-tied) thrown in.

    As I said, it's fairly basic, certainly no Surface or iPad, but is pretty good value for what it is.

    And Surface prices may come down to my level in the future, I haven't written them off.

    Wenda.
    That's the way to go. No need to waste a lot of money on these gadgets that you will use only occasionally and for very basic tasks.

    I spent 230 US$ on a 32GB Nexus 7. Went for the extra storage because it has no sd card slot. It is handy on the go for navigation, checking the email, phone calls (I have no handy) and a bit of entertainment and news. When I am on the go, I am on vacation and don't want to do any serious work anyhow.
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  7. #117


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    This only comes with 4GB (!), but is expandable to 32GB with a micro-SD card.

    I threw a 16GB card into it for the time-being, and that, with a 16GB 'thumbie' has
    been more than adequate so far.

    It's not as if I'll be installing huge programs or archiving terabytes of files on it.

    Wenda.
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  8. #118


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    This is why Apple and Android products are so popular, small form-factors coming out that do the simple things that most people want/need. I'll bet that if those people want to do more serious stuff, they connect to a desktop PC/laptop. These are still incredibly cheap compared to Windows tablets and far more powerful.

    Just an interesting side note, just to prove how popular Android and Apple really are. This screen shot shows some links on the forum page, note how the links are for Android and Apple apps stores (makes you wonder):

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  9. #119


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    This is why Apple and Android products are so popular, small form-factors coming out that do the simple things that most people want/need. I'll bet that if those people want to do more serious stuff, they connect to a desktop PC/laptop. These are still incredibly cheap compared to Windows tablets and far more powerful.

    Just an interesting side note, just to prove how popular Android and Apple really are. This screen shot shows some links on the forum page, note how the links are for Android and Apple apps stores (makes you wonder):

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    Which is why Windows RT was made to compete apples to apples versus apples to horses. But right now, RT tablets aren't too cheap as I'm assuming because of the displays partly. They're 5 point multitouch at 1366x736 resolution whereas the lower end android tablets that sell for shillings are much lower resolutions than that. Then they have to be well built and not el cheapo devices as that's not something Microsoft will allow at all.

    Those apps are for mobile, smartphones. I don't know if that would be needed for Windows 8 as it is a PC, with a Desktop based browser. IE 10 doesn't have a mobile or desktop version option at all in Windows 8. Most PCs with Windows 8 have a mouse with them, actually about 99% I would assume. So it makes the need for an EightForums app iffy. Also, the same goes for facebook and twitter. I still have yet to understand why at the moment. Until the touch enabled PC is a large market, ok. But until then, it's iffy. Certain apps I believe are ok under certain circumstances. Like, if there was a good facebook app that filters out the advertising on facebook, I'm down for that. Things like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    This is why Apple and Android products are so popular, small form-factors coming out that do the simple things that most people want/need. I'll bet that if those people want to do more serious stuff, they connect to a desktop PC/laptop. These are still incredibly cheap compared to Windows tablets and far more powerful.

    Just an interesting side note, just to prove how popular Android and Apple really are. This screen shot shows some links on the forum page, note how the links are for Android and Apple apps stores (makes you wonder):

    Click image for larger version
    Just once it would be good if you came out with some facts, show me where those people connect to a Desktop. A similar iPad to a Surface Pro is the same price and less than half as usefull or powerful.
    I love the way you make stuff up and then sound as if you know what you're talking about. Makes you wonder.
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