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  1. #31


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    I think that ...


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Do you feel that obligation with Windows 8.
    I think that ~12 months of testing was long enough.

    I ran all of the free previews for W8.
    I didn't "feel the love" (especially since W8CP & W8RP couldn't even manage to install my sound driver properly).
    W8 Enterprise wasn't too bad, however I installed Classic Shell in that preview.
    I'm not planning to reward MS for building an OS I don't like (the same reason I didn't swap from XP to Vista).

    I might run W8 (in the future) if they decide that people can use it for free (like Linux distros).

    Compared to W7, W8 just didn't cut it.

    I ran several W7 betas (b7048, b7077 & b7100).
    All of my hardware and 3rd party software worked with each version.
    The only problem I had was WMP12 (b7048) damaging 25% of my mp3 collection (I haven't used WMP12 since).
    I started using W7 as my main OS, once I installed build 7077 and I haven't regretted it.

    It's the same with TV shows.
    If I don't "feeling the love" after 6 - 8 episodes, I'll only keep watching if there isn't something better on.

    Unfortunately for W8; W7, LM14 and XP all count as "something better on".

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  2. #32


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    I'm surprised at Hardware problems with W8 -- I've found W8 will run things that W7 wouldn't (although XP did) such as a built in dual card reader on a Sony VAIO -- the dual SD and Sony Pro Duo sticks -- W7 got the SD part to work but could never get the Sony duo stick half of the reader to get recognized.

    W8 on first boot recognized BOTH -- I could tell at once since the dual leds started flashing at boot and indeed the Pro duo stick was recognized. --I don't use the Pro Duo stick any more --for external cards etc I use the same as I use in a camera and a phone now -- Micro SD cards and use an SD==>micro sd adapter if I want to read them cards on my current laptop.

    (The old sony reader WAS recognized by an XP VM believe it or not and of course Native XP).

    If you like W7 and it suits you then just go on using it - however a bit of a bugbear is the apparently reported statement by Ms that they aren't going to release SP2 so if you have to do a clean install there are a LOT of updates to download unless you use some way of creating a W7 install system with the updates manually slipstreamed into it. There's some posts on the W7 forum on how to do that.

    My take is that W8 isn't that hard to use even for typical work scenarios -- it only requires a TIDDLY change on how you work - most of the posts here seem to think it's almost like having to learn Windows again from scratch --and then some. It really is a TIDDLY change.

    The OS is very slick --especially when run from an SSD, re-installing is a breeze and the security is STREETS ahead of W7. It's the first time I think even some really Linuxcentric magazines have even MENTIONED Windows as having adequate security -- from Linux users that's praise indeed. Normally these mags will try and rubbish "The Evil Empire" at every opportunity.

    Consider what you like about W7 compared with W8. Note on a spreadsheet the points and then go through them ONE BY ONE and see if there is any way of making W8 work the same way.

    The only difference you'll find in the end is the Menu which you can either add a 3rd party app or if you can manage without the menu see if making one or more custom toolbars on your desktop which very reasonably approximate to "sub menus".

    The only difference at start up is you see the W8 start screen -- well if you just start ANY desktop application it will start in Windowed mode and automatically launch the desktop. (ONE keystroke / click)

    On W7 to start an application you would have to click the start on the menu then the application ( two keystrokes / mouse clicks and maybe a mouse scroll as well) or click an application on the Desktop or quick launch taskbar one key stroke / mous click).

    To create desktop short cuts is easy - I've posted on the forum often enough - but again just right mouse click on the application from the w8 taskbar -- open file location then right mouse click again and then send to desktop.

    You never need to use the Metro stuff.

    If you want to start certain applications etc at start up or run scripts -- these work exactly as they did in W7.

    There are a nice lot of Keyboard short cuts with Windows 8 such as the Windows + X key which brings up a little menu of useful system functions and the search facility is fine.

    The only things I can see that you *might* miss are gadgets (loads of people never liked or used these) or Aero Glass which I didn't like myself either.

    So what's so hard about any of that.

    A Kindergarten kid could pick this up in 5 mins. !!!

    However I DO agree with you on one thing -- I'm NOT paying for updates or a windows subscription model. At that point I'll switch to Linux and run Windows legacy systems as VM's.

    As for damaging your MP3 collection -- IMO that's your own fault as you should ALWAYS have backup both of your OS and data you value. Damage or loss either intentionally or accidentally could happen any time -- for example the Hardware gets broken, you accidentally delete files or even someone STEALS your gear. If you haven't got restorable data that's YOUR OWN FAULT -- it onlt takes a few hours to copy nearly 1TB of data to a small external USB self powered passport disk and then just lock it up somewhere.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #33


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    What i've always found facinating and never understood is the whole App Store thing. Is that something that appeals primarily to women with their tendencies to shop? And things they call Games I tend to by and large call gimmick programs. Calling them games tends to be very generous. Level after level of doing some stupid gimmick with the touchscreen.

    I was like.. you want Free?

    Jesus, the PC has full-blown games that took years to develop that are free, well-made, and if your kid happens to hit the wrong keys on your ipad they don't end up costing you hundreds or thousands of dollars. Just install Path of Exile or something. Go get Steam and knock yourself out. But App Store Games? They need to get a lot better, and my understanding is this isn't just an epidemic of Win 8, but par for the course for App Stores.

    The PC has been the preemminent place for cutting edge gaming for a good long time and just seeing some of this stuff would make Baby Jesus Cry. I mean, there are games for the NES or SNES that, while the graphics were far more rudimentary... provided a far better gaming experience. Hell, i used to play games on the TI-99/4A back in the 80's that were more involved and fun.
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  4. #34


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    What is it with these "App stores". Just avoid them like the plague. You don't need to use them. and they aren't integral to W8 in any way at all. Windows applications and games can be installed by the "usual methods".

    If your kids also are costing you a lot of money by hitting the wrong keys on an iPad -- it doesn't say much for "The Fruit companies" security -- or even your own procedures. Sorry to be blunt here - but sometimes people just don't seem to take enough responsibility over what their kids do -- and if you can't understand how the Internet on that device works you should perhaps block their access to the Internet with the Ipad until you know how they are using it and explain to them that certain stuff COSTS MONEY.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #35


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Do you feel that obligation with Windows 8.
    I think that ~12 months of testing was long enough.

    I ran all of the free previews for W8.
    I didn't "feel the love" (especially since W8CP & W8RP couldn't even manage to install my sound driver properly).
    W8 Enterprise wasn't too bad, however I installed Classic Shell in that preview.
    I'm not planning to reward MS for building an OS I don't like (the same reason I didn't swap from XP to Vista).

    I might run W8 (in the future) if they decide that people can use it for free (like Linux distros).

    Compared to W7, W8 just didn't cut it.

    I ran several W7 betas (b7048, b7077 & b7100).
    All of my hardware and 3rd party software worked with each version.
    The only problem I had was WMP12 (b7048) damaging 25% of my mp3 collection (I haven't used WMP12 since).
    I started using W7 as my main OS, once I installed build 7077 and I haven't regretted it.

    It's the same with TV shows.
    If I don't "feeling the love" after 6 - 8 episodes, I'll only keep watching if there isn't something better on.

    Unfortunately for W8; W7, LM14 and XP all count as "something better on".
    I was only kidding really, use whatever you want. I've been using computers since the mid 80s, I can't say I've ever seen a programme destroy a file unless the PC froze while it was doing something.

    I think the driver situation was pretty good on Windows 8, installed on 4 PCs and never had any dramas, except a display driver issue when updated. I rolled it back and it's been fine ever since even after updating again.
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  6. #36


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    What is it with these "App stores". Just avoid them like the plague. You don't need to use them. and they aren't integral to W8 in any way at all. Windows applications and games can be installed by the "usual methods".

    If your kids also are costing you a lot of money by hitting the wrong keys on an iPad -- it doesn't say much for "The Fruit companies" security -- or even your own procedures. Sorry to be blunt here - but sometimes people just don't seem to take enough responsibility over what their kids do -- and if you can't understand how the Internet on that device works you should perhaps block their access to the Internet with the Ipad until you know how they are using it and explain to them that certain stuff COSTS MONEY.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Lol.. way to hijack my rant there Jimbo :>.

    And the reference to the iPad was simply due to the horror stories that float around, I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. That such stuff can even happen though, just goes to show you the evil of corporations like Apple.Nothing in any app is worth that much money.
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  7. #37


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    As for damaging your MP3 collection -- IMO that's your own fault as you should ALWAYS have backup both of your OS and data you value. Damage or loss either intentionally or accidentally could happen any time -- for example the Hardware gets broken, you accidentally delete files or even someone STEALS your gear. If you haven't got restorable data that's YOUR OWN FAULT -- it onlt takes a few hours to copy nearly 1TB of data to a small external USB self powered passport disk and then just lock it up somewhere.
    I did have a backup.
    I've actually got ~5TB of backups dating back to mid 2009.

    I've never been able to understand why W7 is so good and WMP12 is so awful.

    I don't expect that software as simple (well understood?) as a media player should be able to ignore "Read-only" file attributes and its own option settings.
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