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  1. #111


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Yeah that Family Tree Maker is an unreal programme, I've been using it for many years, and it's progs like that that keep Windows strong. I don't know how many people use Quicken but that's another fantastic programme, although mine is getting a bit ancient.

    People call me a Windows fanboy, it's just that there really isn't anything to beat it when it comes to versatility. Sure there are other good OS's, but they just aren't Windows, I know I've tried nearly all the other OS's.

    I know a lot of people rubbish Windows 8 but once you get used to a slightly different way of working its actually quite a bit faster to get around and it runs on some ancient machines.

    As far as Linux goes it certainly doesn't seem to have gained any traction over the years, like Tepid said, it takes money to keep people interested, you can only keep a hobby going for so long. Some of the people working on those projects must be pretty talented and sooner or later they're going to want some money.

    As long as they keep those projects going I'll play around with them from time to time, and that Puppy is handy to have on a stick in case of emergencies.

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  2. #112


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Desktops vs Servers


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    As far as Linux goes it certainly doesn't seem to have gained any traction over the years, like Tepid said, it takes money to keep people interested, you can only keep a hobby going for so long. Some of the people working on those projects must be pretty talented and sooner or later they're going to want some money.
    That might be true for desktops, but it isn't for servers.
    Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  3. #113


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Well Puppy Linux works like a charm and runs on my Notebook and Netbook, picked up my wireless network quick as lightning. If it works on my Netbook it will work on my friends. So it looks like I will be able to set it up for Zero cost for him, no extra ram or anything.

    This will do him for what he wants, which is basically a Netbook.

    Written on Puppy Linux.
    Glad to hear that you got it working.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Anyway, my issues with Linux still stand, too many versions with too many flavors and not a single one is really ready for prime time.
    Well, with respect to the sheer # of versions, that's one of the core principles of Linux distros. They are fully customizable and people are free to change them, respin them, and customize them for very specific purposes. This isn't going to go away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    You still have issues with some software that is really interesting to use (Conky for one) that only works on certain versions and flavors of GUI's, but seems to be abandoned or not really kept up with. That is Linux' greatest downfall, and always, always will be.
    Yes, with all of the different distros, choices, customizations, and specific task built systems....you will always have these issues. And it will always be a problem, it has to be. The nature of Linux is to be completely and fully customizable. Nobody in the community will agree on 1 standard. It goes against everything that Linux stands for.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    As for Vendors not supporting the drivers for the hardware for Linux, here again, it is very difficult to justify putting time into something that everyone expects everything to be free (The Linux Community). Not very many will code for Linux out of the goodness of their hearts, there has to be something in it. So, for a lot of people, it's a learning exercise, then they move on to what makes them money.
    Almost all enterprise server class hardware is supported no problem. Truckloads of enterprise class software developed on and for Linux. The majority of the Internet backbone runs on this freebie software (dhcp, BIND DNS, Sendmail, Apache Web Server, MySQL, etc).

    As far as their being something in it for them, there is. They get exactly what they want. They get great performance. They get security and stability. They get access to the source code to change or modify what they need. They get the satisfaction of providing something for the good of mankind. Many have full time jobs doing other things and develop these tools to solve problems they experience in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Check out Linux if you want, for some will find it is all they need, but to be honest, it's not easier to use than Windows. It really isn't. I am not saying this cause I find Linux difficult, i don't, but it's certainly not exactly easier to get software installed and working,, sure some of the more polished well known and distributed software, but a lot of obscure stuff just plain doesn't work, or is a pain to get working.
    In many cases, even Linux fans won't tell you that Linux in many cases is easier to use than Windows.

    However, for some specific tasks, like DNS servers, or FTP Servers, or Apache web servers...setting up a Linux box can be an absolute piece of cake. A kickstart install that takes less than 2 minutes, a system update, and a couple of config files put in place and it's up and running. I've run a CentOS based FTP server that handles around 1TB of monthly traffic, with 512MB of RAM and no downtime for about 3 years. All with no cost and drop dead simple to setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    For the most part,, working with Windows, if your system is stable, you can install practically anything you can find without issue.
    not so much with Linux.
    Yes, again because there is 1 standard. You don't get choice, you cannot modify the code yourself to make it do exactly what you need and you have necessary costs and licensing associated with it. There are trade-offs for this ease of use and for most people and many cases, it's not a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    As for, "well you can learn to fix things, and code for what you want".
    How many people actually have or even want to make time to do that?
    Average joes...not so much. But look at all of the open source projects. These exist because people do have the time and the need to solve a particular problem. And like I said before, you can find the code snippets you need from forums and websites and you simply paste them into a file. This is simply not possible with Windows.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Linux has a few thousand+ miles more to go.
    Yes, and probably always will. With freedom, comes tradeoffs. In the server room, I've found Linux awesome. On the desktop, far different story. Often due to hardware, peripherals and the like which simply don't have driver support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    One final note, the hardcore long time Linux community doens't like Ubuntu Unity, it's why it has slid in the number of downloads, they are flocking to Mint. This is another pitfall of Linux, the community moves in waves to what they think might be the next great OS, then find fault and move on.
    Agreed. I used to use Ubuntu as my desktop. It was fast, stable and so universally used it was as close to a standard as possible..thus lots of software support and good documentation. I never preferred their server product though, I've always used Red Hat Enterprise Linux or CentOS (which is a respin of RHEL).

    I left Ubuntu as a desktop because I hated Unity. Most people didn't leave Ubuntu because we felt that Linux Mint was the next best thing...we left because it wasn't the new thing that Ubuntu was shoving down our throats, which wasn't wanted, and didn't work particularly well. It's very reminiscent of Windows 8. And this is the beauty of Linux, when we didn't like what Ubuntu gave us, we were able to go elsewhere. Some view this as a downfall, and some see it as an advantage. I can see both sides, but I prefer the latter.


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    As far as Linux goes it certainly doesn't seem to have gained any traction over the years, like Tepid said, it takes money to keep people interested, you can only keep a hobby going for so long. Some of the people working on those projects must be pretty talented and sooner or later they're going to want some money.
    It's had very little traction on the desktop, but in the server room, it's an entirely different story. Those server admins who didn't take the time to learn it, or don't have it as a valid option are really shortchanging themselves and spending far more money on licensing and dealing with compromises that they otherwise might be able to avoid.
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    But please realize, we are not talking about the Server world, that is a strawman argument.

    We are talking about average users.
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  5. #115


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    But please realize, we are not talking about the Server world, that is a strawman argument.

    We are talking about average users.
    I know, I commented on both. Average users probably don't know they have a choice or alternative to Windows except for Apple. And honestly, they probably don't with the peripherals and such they want to use.
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