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  1. #101


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Yeah, I guess you know exactly how my systems work.
    Id say pretty much like a motherboard with a PSU attached, video card, or maybe on board video, some ram and a HDD all packed into a case.
    Excellent, that does describe the generic nature of the system components and from that you have cleverly deduced exactly how they work with the various OSes that I use/have used. You are clearly a very unique individual, one of a kind.

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  2. #102


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    It was mate, but I doubt either would have made a difference as Mint was just as slow.
    Mint is the distro that uses Mate. It's unfortunate that it was slow for you, in my experience it's pretty darn quick.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Windows 8 doesn't just boot faster, it's faster at everything and doesn't seem to slow down when adding a lot of programmes like the older Windows versions did.
    I never really noticed Windows 7 slowing down much with a bunch of stuff installed. I guess we will have to give Windows 8 12-18 months of crud build up to know for sure whether it performs the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Actually Linux and Mint are pretty disappointing, I thought they'd do a lot better. Neither picked up wireless either and I couldn't be bothered trying to set it up.
    Well, they certainly aren't Windows. I've had pretty good luck with them picking up wireless, but I tend to insist upon machines with Intel or the Dell 15xx series wireless adapters as they have good Linux support. Honestly though, the majority of Linux machines I run are hardwired desktops.

    I'm sure a lot comes down to experience. I've been professionally supporting Linux servers since 1998 or so. I've got a lot of experience under my belt.
    I'm not saying I couldn't maybe get them to run a bit quicker and even get the wireless to work, I got it to work on an old Netbook. It's just a bit disappointing after all these years to see some of these issues not fixed yet. I started on Linux, many many years ago and always had a bit of a soft spot for it.

    But I did notice when I installed it on my Netbook, it really wasn't an improvement over XP, that was about 18 months ago. Actually the reason I'm a bit disappointed is because a friend of mine has an old Netbook that's not running really well and I thought I'd try Linux on it as well as putting in an extra bit of ram.

    Off the top of your head do you know any distros more suitable for a Netbook, maybe something like Puppy Linux but a bit better.
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  3. #103


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Yeah, I guess you know exactly how my systems work.
    Id say pretty much like a motherboard with a PSU attached, video card, or maybe on board video, some ram and a HDD all packed into a case.
    Excellent, that does describe the generic nature of the system components and from that you have cleverly deduced exactly how they work with the various OSes that I use/have used. You are clearly a very unique individual, one of a kind.
    I know, clever hey.
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  4. #104


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I'm not saying I couldn't maybe get them to run a bit quicker and even get the wireless to work, I got it to work on an old Netbook. It's just a bit disappointing after all these years to see some of these issues not fixed yet.
    Yes, it truly is disappointing. As Microsoft has such a huge marketshare as far as desktops go, there is little to no incentive for hardware manufacturers to put any effort into making their hardware work. I'd go as far to say that they have arrangements with Microsoft to NOT lift a finger. Either way, the hardware is designed for Microsoft based systems and thusly performs best in this environment.


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Off the top of your head do you know any distros more suitable for a Netbook, maybe something like Puppy Linux but a bit better.
    I think the biggest issue will be expectations. Distros like DSL or Puppy Linux are VERY scaled back and provide the most rudimentary user interfaces. For many people coming from Windows, or desiring something very similar to Windows, they aren't going to be satisfied with this experience.

    People usually flock to Linux for 2 primary reasons.

    Cost is the obvious one. A free OS can be a great thing when you have 3-5 PC's on your home network. If you are not the type willing to pirate software, and you understand that Technet is for evaluation use rather than daily use, then using Linux might become far more compelling. And I think Microsoft tried to address this very issue by making Windows 8 $39 for the upgrade.

    The second reason is "freedom". You don't have to settle for the way that MS has done it, you don't have to setting for the way that Ubuntu did it, you don't have to accept the way that SuSE did it. You have options. And at the end of the day, if a piece of open source software does not work as you need it to, you can see the code and change the code and make it work. And if you don't have the technical skill set to program yourself, the world is full of other people who can and you can often find the code changes necessary on blogs, forums, etc.
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  5. #105


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I'm not saying I couldn't maybe get them to run a bit quicker and even get the wireless to work, I got it to work on an old Netbook. It's just a bit disappointing after all these years to see some of these issues not fixed yet.
    Yes, it truly is disappointing. As Microsoft has such a huge marketshare as far as desktops go, there is little to no incentive for hardware manufacturers to put any effort into making their hardware work. I'd go as far to say that they have arrangements with Microsoft to NOT lift a finger. Either way, the hardware is designed for Microsoft based systems and thusly performs best in this environment.


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Off the top of your head do you know any distros more suitable for a Netbook, maybe something like Puppy Linux but a bit better.
    I think the biggest issue will be expectations. Distros like DSL or Puppy Linux are VERY scaled back and provide the most rudimentary user interfaces. For many people coming from Windows, or desiring something very similar to Windows, they aren't going to be satisfied with this experience.

    People usually flock to Linux for 2 primary reasons.

    Cost is the obvious one. A free OS can be a great thing when you have 3-5 PC's on your home network. If you are not the type willing to pirate software, and you understand that Technet is for evaluation use rather than daily use, then using Linux might become far more compelling. And I think Microsoft tried to address this very issue by making Windows 8 $39 for the upgrade.

    The second reason is "freedom". You don't have to settle for the way that MS has done it, you don't have to setting for the way that Ubuntu did it, you don't have to accept the way that SuSE did it. You have options. And at the end of the day, if a piece of open source software does not work as you need it to, you can see the code and change the code and make it work. And if you don't have the technical skill set to program yourself, the world is full of other people who can and you can often find the code changes necessary on blogs, forums, etc.
    Yeah my friend isn't exactly a big spender and he's not too technical either, anyway I've just been playing around with Puppy Linux, runs really well on my old Notebook, it's an old version so i'll download the latest version and see how it goes.
    The biggest issue is going to be wireless and getting that running on mine first then his. The main thing he'll be using it for is the Internet so I need something that boots quick, Puppy, and uses hardly any resources again Puppy.

    Yeah Pirating isn't exactly my thing, although I've downloaded a lot of programmes over the years for evaluation, then if I like them I buy them.
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  6. #106


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    Well Puppy Linux works like a charm and runs on my Notebook and Netbook, picked up my wireless network quick as lightning. If it works on my Netbook it will work on my friends. So it looks like I will be able to set it up for Zero cost for him, no extra ram or anything.

    This will do him for what he wants, which is basically a Netbook.

    Written on Puppy Linux.
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  7. #107


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    So, I have been using Linux for a few days now, trying to get my bearings on it. It's ok at best.
    I will continue to use it for a while and testing and blowing it up like I have done several times already.

    Puppy Linux is a solid Linux OS, runs great from USB which is what I used it for when fixing certain issues with really badly messed up Windows or needed data recovery that couldn't be done through windows due to a bad hard drive that Windows would have a problem reading, Linux does come through for these situations.

    So far, it's not horrible, it's just different mostly.
    However, I will repeat what I think i have so far, and add some info for anyone interested
    I am now using Linux Mint 14 MATE
    This is a fork of Gnome2, whereas Mint 14 Cinnamon is a Fork of Ubuntu Unity (a fork of Gnome3)
    Gnome3 is the newest GUI for Linux and is holds great debate floating all over, it is likened to Win8, and not in a good way.

    Anyway, my issues with Linux still stand, too many versions with too many flavors and not a single one is really ready for prime time. You still have issues with some software that is really interesting to use (Conky for one) that only works on certain versions and flavors of GUI's, but seems to be abandoned or not really kept up with.

    That is Linux' greatest downfall, and always, always will be. Conky is only one example of hundreds.
    There is no incentive for anyone to keep up with Linux Distros, flavors of Gui's and testing code across them. Much less just keeping up with fixes for what they have that DOES work. One that I tried out years ago, Compiz, yeah, that's a uber pain to get working anymore. And depends greatly on Linux Version, the GUI and hardware you are running it on.

    Not to mention how to even find software. Synaptic is a really archaic system. Just take any schmoe and have them try and find something they would like to try and use in there, and it's a nightmare finding anything of real use.

    MATE and Unity have an actual Software Manger, that is much much better. I actually like MATE's better.
    According to MATE's Software Manager there are 63307 packages available for download.
    But they only present you with about 100 or so that you might actually be interested in using.
    They filter out all the junk. You can search for the other 63000 if you need or want (if you know what you are actually looking for).

    So, moving on....
    When you work for free, where is your incentive? Sorry, but thems the facts, and you can't get around them.

    As for Vendors not supporting the drivers for the hardware for Linux, here again, it is very difficult to justify putting time into something that everyone expects everything to be free (The Linux Community). Not very many will code for Linux out of the goodness of their hearts, there has to be something in it. So, for a lot of people, it's a learning exercise, then they move on to what makes them money.

    Them darn facts getting in the way again.

    If Linux, (and I do think there is some headway being made, there are some apps out there for sale now in the Software managers of Ubuntu Unity) can create a market place for selling software and developers don't just abandon these projects left and right (much like i know is done in the Android and Apple Stores, and yes, unfortunately will happen in the Metro Store), they could possibly start getting some of that support from vendors.

    Money talks, money sells items, items that sell get attention. Sorry, damned facts again.

    Anyway, i think you get my drift.

    Check out Linux if you want, for some will find it is all they need, but to be honest, it's not easier to use than Windows. It really isn't. I am not saying this cause I find Linux difficult, i don't, but it's certainly not exactly easier to get software installed and working,, sure some of the more polished well known and distributed software, but a lot of obscure stuff just plain doesn't work, or is a pain to get working.

    For the most part,, working with Windows, if your system is stable, you can install practically anything you can find without issue.
    not so much with Linux.

    As for, "well you can learn to fix things, and code for what you want".
    How many people actually have or even want to make time to do that?
    This is another pitfall for Linux. Atleast with Windows, you can pretty much find whatever you want to do and have it work without much effort. ie; Find a Family Tree software as good as Family Tree Maker by Ancestry.com - The #1 Selling Family Tree Program for Linux.
    Oh right, you can try to make it work in Wine, and you might be able to, but you ahve to take the time to try and make it work in Wine, good luck with that, while you are still working on that, I would actually be using it in Windows, not trying to still make it work and just open.

    This may sound like a slam on Linux, it is and isn't. It's a comparison of what I see and have learned using Linux versus what I know about Windows.

    By the way, I crashed the Software Manager just searching for anything that starts with S.

    Linux has a few thousand+ miles more to go.

    One final note, the hardcore long time Linux community doens't like Ubuntu Unity, it's why it has slid in the number of downloads, they are flocking to Mint. This is another pitfall of Linux, the community moves in waves to what they think might be the next great OS, then find fault and move on.
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  8. #108


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I thought this is strange so I tried an older Ubuntu 11.04 on it and it ran decidedly better, looks like Linux is starting to get bloated.
    Lots of people have complained the Ubuntu 12.10 is slow and bloated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I've not had one PC yet where any version of Windows is faster than Linux.
    When I run Windows VMs (in VMware) on Linux Mint (and previously on Ubuntu 10), they are only marginally slower than my physical installs.

    LInux Mint 14 (MATE) feels smoother and faster than Ubuntu 10 and it definitely boots faster than W7.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    One final note, the hardcore long time Linux community doens't like Ubuntu Unity, it's why it has slid in the number of downloads, they are flocking to Mint. This is another pitfall of Linux, the community moves in waves to what they think might be the next great OS, then find fault and move on.
    That's because despite Unity being better than Metro, Unity is b***** awful.
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    Yes, I found Mint to be faster than Ubuntu. But it's all really in the margin when it comes to comparing the Linux distributions. Also, I'm not really worried about startup times, that's when I go and make a coffee anyway, it's how the system runs as a whole that matters to me. Though in all fairness, I have a lot more programs installed in Windows, so there are a lot more background processes running than there are with a Linux install, as there not as many installed programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Though in all fairness, I have a lot more programs installed in Windows, so there are a lot more background processes running than there are with a Linux install, as there not as many installed programs.
    Agreed.
    One of the big "resource hogs" on Windows are AV programs.

    Two other programs I have to run on Windows 7 (that aren't required for Linux) are:
    • A virtual desktop program (VirtuaWin + KvasdoPager)
    • An ISO mounter (VirtualCloneDrive)
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