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Ubuntu does what Microsoft couldn't?

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    Google's primary money maker is Ads and the better they can target consumers the more money they make. Google's personal information privacy policies are the worst in the industry and there is plenty of info on the internet to support that. They need that information to drive there Ad business and they go to great lengths to try and get it.

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    Google has an arrogance about it as well going on record saying if users don't like their privacy policies they don't have to use their services. I could care less if Google wants to target ads based on my search criteria, but it's a whole different matter when I see ads pop up in Gmail having to do with info within the body of my emails. I don't like their practices and stopped using all their services last year.

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  2. #92


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Can't understand the point of this thread -- OS'es all have their strengths and weaknesses and some are very specialized indeed -- for instance would you use Windows (any version) for running a large international Airline reservation system or an online stock trading system where literally millions of transactions are executed in a very short time and the data has to be always up to date in real time.

    If Ubuntu does stuff that Windows doesn't do --ask yourself the following

    1) Does Windows NEED to do it.
    2) Do You Need to do it
    3) if you need to do it can you write an application in Windows to do it
    4) why don't you just use Ubuntu for the job you need to do.

    I personally haven't found anything I NEED to do that Windows can't do. I'm not saying that for some purposes that Ubuntu (or another Linux or even another OS) isn't better at the job -- for example even these days windows networking is light years behind nearly every Linux I've ever seen--but as a general purpose OS that fits the expectations of over 80% of the worlds basic computer users I don't think Ms has done a bad job --and we'd all be a lot worse off without Windows.

    That's no excuse however for Ms to sit back --Windows does need to be continually improved and developed -- and the whole hassle with mobile and touch devices with the W8 GUI shows that Ms is attempting to transition between the rigid desktop model and computing in 21st century. It won't get it right first time through but I think W8 is going in the right direction -- for others you can stick to W7 or XP if you like or even switch to Ubuntu.

    W8 is a first iteration -- I'm sure some of the early issues will get addressed. Where Ms went totally bonkers is in W2012 server which if you install the desktop experience (Optional on W2102 server) you get the Metro screens just like W8 -- now on a server which most people use in command line mode anyway Metro has got to be totally and utterly BONKERS.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Windows Server 2012 was changed in the same way as Windows 8 as to keep UIs consistent. The Start Screen though on Server 2012 is more Desktop centric than the client OS, as you can't install apps and don't have WinRT coding like Share and Devices.
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  3. #93


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    I tried Ubuntu and Mint on a 5 year old Notebook yesterday and can't believe how much they slow it down. XP runs like a charm on it very fluid and quick and yet both Linux versions slow it down to a crawl.

    I thought this is strange so I tried an older Ubuntu 11.04 on it and it ran decidedly better, looks like Linux is starting to get bloated.

    I'm going to try and run Windows 8 on it just for fun, but I've got a feeling it will run better than Linux.
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  4. #94


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I tried Ubuntu and Mint on a 5 year old Notebook yesterday and can't believe how much they slow it down. XP runs like a charm on it very fluid and quick and yet both Linux versions slow it down to a crawl.

    I thought this is strange so I tried an older Ubuntu 11.04 on it and it ran decidedly better, looks like Linux is starting to get bloated.

    I'm going to try and run Windows 8 on it just for fun, but I've got a feeling it will run better than Linux.
    XP is old missing lots of new features new distros are aware of. Slowness might have been unity interface or mate/cinnamon depending upon which you picked.

    And don't forget 8 gives appearance of fast start, while many services and sick are truly not ready.

    I'm not saying Linux is certainly better, but it could probably run a lot better than you are seeing.
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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    I put Vista back on my old Fujitsu P1610 and compared to Mint, it's like a old tractor vs a Ferrari. I've not had one PC yet where any version of Windows is faster than Linux.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I put Vista back on my old Fujitsu P1610 and compared to Mint, it's like a old tractor vs a Ferrari. I've not had one PC yet where any version of Windows is faster than Linux.
    Well that shows how much you know Ray, I put that same Ubuntu 11.04 on an old Netbook about 18 months ago and even then XP ran a bit better on that Netbook.

    About a month ago I did a repair job on old AMD desktop around 1.6 GHZ(about 5 years old) installed Vista, and after about two days of updates, I couldn't believe how well it ran. I'm pretty sure even that would have run better than either Ubuntu or Mint.
    Actually I had to let go of my licence for Vista, I now wish I hadn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I tried Ubuntu and Mint on a 5 year old Notebook yesterday and can't believe how much they slow it down. XP runs like a charm on it very fluid and quick and yet both Linux versions slow it down to a crawl.

    I thought this is strange so I tried an older Ubuntu 11.04 on it and it ran decidedly better, looks like Linux is starting to get bloated.

    I'm going to try and run Windows 8 on it just for fun, but I've got a feeling it will run better than Linux.
    XP is old missing lots of new features new distros are aware of. Slowness might have been unity interface or mate/cinnamon depending upon which you picked.

    And don't forget 8 gives appearance of fast start, while many services and sick are truly not ready.

    I'm not saying Linux is certainly better, but it could probably run a lot better than you are seeing.
    It was mate, but I doubt either would have made a difference as Mint was just as slow.

    Windows 8 doesn't just boot faster, it's faster at everything and doesn't seem to slow down when adding a lot of programmes like the older Windows versions did.

    Actually Linux and Mint are pretty disappointing, I thought they'd do a lot better. Neither picked up wireless either and I couldn't be bothered trying to set it up.
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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Yeah, I guess you know exactly how my systems work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    It was mate, but I doubt either would have made a difference as Mint was just as slow.
    Mint is the distro that uses Mate. It's unfortunate that it was slow for you, in my experience it's pretty darn quick.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Windows 8 doesn't just boot faster, it's faster at everything and doesn't seem to slow down when adding a lot of programmes like the older Windows versions did.
    I never really noticed Windows 7 slowing down much with a bunch of stuff installed. I guess we will have to give Windows 8 12-18 months of crud build up to know for sure whether it performs the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Actually Linux and Mint are pretty disappointing, I thought they'd do a lot better. Neither picked up wireless either and I couldn't be bothered trying to set it up.
    Well, they certainly aren't Windows. I've had pretty good luck with them picking up wireless, but I tend to insist upon machines with Intel or the Dell 15xx series wireless adapters as they have good Linux support. Honestly though, the majority of Linux machines I run are hardwired desktops.

    I'm sure a lot comes down to experience. I've been professionally supporting Linux servers since 1998 or so. I've got a lot of experience under my belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Yeah, I guess you know exactly how my systems work.
    Id say pretty much like a motherboard with a PSU attached, video card, or maybe on board video, some ram and a HDD all packed into a case.

    Whoops forgot the CPU, dual core or quad core, air cooled or water cooled(depends if you know a plumber) or maybe just a very good heat sink.
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