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  1. #71


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Hi there
    probably another piece of total Bovine Scatology peddled by people who have axes to grind or other products to push.

    What would some of these people do is Ms stopped tomorrow -- a good 80% of the worlds business is still done with Windows -- I'd like to see some of these "Nay Sayers" suddenly thrown into having to use Linux and "Ms Office Clones" to get their daily work done --in fact I'll bet the article linked to was probably written using Ms Word anyway.

    My reservation about Windows 9 / Windows blue or whatever is not that it will be FREE --Ms doesn't do business that way -- but it will operate on the "Sucker Principle" -- It will be a subscription based model with what appears to be a low subscription -- which however you cut it would be a really poor deal for consumers.

    Just look at mobile phone contracts --how many people lock themselves into ridiculous contracts just to get a decent phone without realizing it that in 3 years this would have cost them over 1200 USD in some cases -- whereas the could have quite easily paid a one off csot of around 450 USD for even the best phone out their and used a Pay as you Go type of service. With decent Wifi all over the place who really needs 500 mins talk time etc etc on the phone contracts --use a Pay as you Go and a service like SKYPE on Wifi.

    But when it comes to money people usually aren't very good at calculating Real Interest or monthly subscriptions over a period.
    (In the UK people still are paying these Hideous Pay Day loan companies interest rates at over 3,000 % - yes 3 THOUSAND % --not a typeo -- and they are suckered in by commercials of little old ladies moving sliders up and down saying how much money do you want, what period and then giving them the cost which for companies like WONGA is usually well over 3,000%).

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  3. #73


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    Seems kind of pointless to turn a newer operating system into an older one.
    Who is actually wanting to turn a new operating system into an older one? All we are talking about is the look and feel of the interface - personalisation.
    Aka, turning Windows 8 into Windows 7. You dislike Metro. 7 lacks Metro. Problem solved.

    Smartscreen can be turned off, so it's a moot point, btw.
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  4. #74


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Interesting, it speaks of "windowing" as something the customer touches and sees. Looks like I was in thinking that was coming in the Blue wave.
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  5. #75


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Hi there
    probably another piece of total Bovine Scatology peddled by people who have axes to grind or other products to push.

    What would some of these people do is Ms stopped tomorrow -- a good 80% of the worlds business is still done with Windows -- I'd like to see some of these "Nay Sayers" suddenly thrown into having to use Linux and "Ms Office Clones" to get their daily work done --in fact I'll bet the article linked to was probably written using Ms Word anyway.

    My reservation about Windows 9 / Windows blue or whatever is not that it will be FREE --Ms doesn't do business that way -- but it will operate on the "Sucker Principle" -- It will be a subscription based model with what appears to be a low subscription -- which however you cut it would be a really poor deal for consumers.

    Just look at mobile phone contracts --how many people lock themselves into ridiculous contracts just to get a decent phone without realizing it that in 3 years this would have cost them over 1200 USD in some cases -- whereas the could have quite easily paid a one off csot of around 450 USD for even the best phone out their and used a Pay as you Go type of service. With decent Wifi all over the place who really needs 500 mins talk time etc etc on the phone contracts --use a Pay as you Go and a service like SKYPE on Wifi.

    But when it comes to money people usually aren't very good at calculating Real Interest or monthly subscriptions over a period.
    (In the UK people still are paying these Hideous Pay Day loan companies interest rates at over 3,000 % - yes 3 THOUSAND % --not a typeo -- and they are suckered in by commercials of little old ladies moving sliders up and down saying how much money do you want, what period and then giving them the cost which for companies like WONGA is usually well over 3,000%).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I think people have already been suckered into buying a new Windows version every couple or so years....
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  6. #76


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    Good point Cokie.

    Let's look at that. Only a very small percentage actually buy the os. For most it just comes with the pc they buy.

    Oem license is about $60 or so - isn't it?

    Churn rate for pc's is what - on average, at a guess every 4 years.

    Just aver a $1 a month to MS - gross.

    How much per month do you think they will gross if they can pull off all this services/subscription stuff?

    20 or 30 times that wouldn't surprise me.
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  7. #77


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Microsoft removed the very basics that so many want.
    The point here is that any OS needs to be reasona usable right-out-of-the-box without NEEDING third party customisation. This is where Win 8 has a major problem for many users. Sure, you can eventually learn how to use various parts of it but its at the very least a chore, and for many ot is turning out to be much worse than that.

    I could customise my own instance, but that doesn't do me much good when I go to use a shared Win 8 system I've never used previoulsy at another office, or in a Internet cafe etc.

    The other lesson I have learned over the years is to keep third party customisation software to an absolute miniumum, as it often bites you in unexpected ways down thd track as it is rarely maintained at the same level of diligence as the OS itself.

    Lastly, MS made a bunch of changes to the Windows eco-system with Win 8 and that is causing large amounts of pain in ordinary user land, as they discover that basic eco-system things just don't work as expected anymore. Want to install WIn 8 Pro on a latop that came with Win 8 Core installed.... oh, it just doesnlt work without doing a semi-secret dance with PID.txt files....... and so on!
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  8. #78


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    Well, personally I thought Windows 7 was awful Straight-out-of-the-box any way. It took me a long time and a lot of messing around to get it to where I liked it. I think Windows 8 is just a better OS. To someone like me who likes to tinker and make everything just the way I like it, its great. I really don't see the issue.


    If you like 7 better, that's great, it still works.
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  9. #79


    I mean as a operating system it isn't that bad. It could have been much worse. It didn't do much in terms of making the desktop experience much better it actually hampered it a bit but it did provide with a new side the touch side operating system but it just doesn't go together that well.

    I mean it doesn't make sense for them to have a plan B because that would mean they were not confident in their product. I mean besides why would they even have a plan B they didn't even get their plan A right.
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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Fluid management = making it up as you go along.
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