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    The Cloud could give IT people pink slips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Not understanding why Gates would make such a statement. I thought the whole idea of 8 is to complete the trifecta of devices; desktop, pad/lappy, and phone. Familiar across the board. Yes?
    Gate's was indirectly talking about the Windows Mobile strategy as that was what Microsoft was developing on as a smartphone OS WELL before ios or android. They didn't take it further fast enough or make it better fast enough until Windows Phone. THAT was the execution mistake I bet he's talking about.
    Yes, the way they went about it was what he said was a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Where does he say getting into mobile was a mistake, no wonder things get misconstrued.
    No, he never did say that.

    "We didn't miss cellphones, but the way that we went about it didn't allow us to get the leadership. So it's clearly a mistake."
    Again, "the way that we went about it" was the mistake he referred to.
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  3. #103


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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeigs View Post
    Spot-on! What many don't understand is that Microsoft HAS to make the move to a more functional UI across platforms where apps and desktop programs coexist. Not to do so means they would be relegated to a desktop only OS vendor with no unified cross-platform solution. That, not Windows 8, is a recipe for corporate suicide (in time, Google would prevail).
    It goes a lot deeper than that, it's reduced costs across the board for MS, OEMS and device manufacturers as well. Developing and maintaining an OS is incredibly expensive, now multiply that by desktop, phone, server etc. and the costs get very high. With MS using the same kernel and basically the same OS across their platforms they have not only reduced costs but development as well. It's also cheaper for OEMs and device manufacturers because devices and drivers now work across all platforms. This is why "Blue" will be updates across the board and not specific to Windows 8.
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  4. #104


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The PC market isn't declining or disappearing, it has basically reached a plateau and levelled off. One of many charts illustrating what's been going on:

    Attachment 16937
    OK. I agree with your opening statement, but what the hay does your chart of sales have anything to do with your statement below?

    Again, the majority of people don't find Windows 8 difficult to use and they aren't afraid of change. They just don't like some aspects of it and prefer the Windows 7 desktop appearance, even though they like other aspects of Windows 8.

    If Microsoft realized this, the world would be a better place.
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  5. #105


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rmeigs View Post
    Spot-on! What many don't understand is that Microsoft HAS to make the move to a more functional UI across platforms where apps and desktop programs coexist. Not to do so means they would be relegated to a desktop only OS vendor with no unified cross-platform solution. That, not Windows 8, is a recipe for corporate suicide (in time, Google would prevail).
    It goes a lot deeper than that, it's reduced costs across the board for MS, OEMS and device manufacturers as well. Developing and maintaining an OS is incredibly expensive, now multiply that by desktop, phone, server etc. and the costs get very high. With MS using the same kernel and basically the same OS across their platforms they have not only reduced costs but development as well. It's also cheaper for OEMs and device manufacturers because devices and drivers now work across all platforms. This is why "Blue" will be updates across the board and not specific to Windows 8.
    Great point! You certainly know business, Rob.
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  6. #106


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The PC market isn't declining or disappearing, it has basically reached a plateau and levelled off. One of many charts illustrating what's been going on:

    Attachment 16937
    OK. I agree with your opening statement, but what the hay does your chart of sales have anything to do with your statement below?

    Again, the majority of people don't find Windows 8 difficult to use and they aren't afraid of change. They just don't like some aspects of it and prefer the Windows 7 desktop appearance, even though they like other aspects of Windows 8.

    If Microsoft realized this, the world would be a better place.
    I was responding to two separate points made by sashlon, the first that PC sales are declining (which they aren't); the second that people find Windows 8 "'confusing' or 'unproductive'", which they don't, they simply find some aspects not to their liking (understanding and disliking are two separate issues). I was also being sarcastic about a further comment to sashlon, which continues the meme that users are the problem, not Windows 8.
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  7. #107


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    Well, you know what they say about sarcasm...

    Also, those sales figures don't take the last 2 quarters into account where, according to most of the info out there, there's been a huge jump in tablet sales, and and PC sales are stagnant at best.

    Also, I never said users were the problem. I said if you don't want to use Windows 8 then don't use it. Use what you're happy with.
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  8. #108


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    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Well, you know what they say about sarcasm...

    Also, those sales figures don't take the last 2 quarters into account where, according to most of the info out there, there's been a huge jump in tablet sales, and and PC sales are stagnant at best.

    Also, I never said users were the problem. I said if you don't want to use Windows 8 then don't use it. Use what you're happy with.
    I don't know. What do they say about sarcasm?

    I also pointed out that the graph was but one of many showing the 'steady state' status of PCs. It has been at this steady state for many years. The PC market is pretty much saturated and there hasn't been much scope for growth for years. I made no statement about the sales of tablets.

    Nor did I say that you said users were the problem, but you did say:

    People lament about it being 'confusing' or 'unproductive'. People are often afraid or unsettled by change. If you don't like windows 8, then don't suffer needlessly.
    Most people who are critical of some aspects of Windows 8 do not find it confusing or unproductive, are afraid or unsettled by change, or are suffering. I'm not sure where you've gained this idea? However, that does seem to be the common view, amongst a few, whenever anyone raises any criticism of Windows 8.
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  9. #109


    I just saw an add on TV about iPad that made sense unlike the dance M$ adds.
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    I watched two of them on YouTube:

    Apple - iPad - TV Ad - Together - YouTube

    Apple - iPad - TV Ad - Alive - YouTube

    A small difference between those and the Microsoft ads.
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