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    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    I've owned a BlackBerry Playbook, Ipad 2 and a Asus eee Slate. I currently own a Google Nexus 7 and a Microsoft Surface RT. So, I feel like I can comment with a little knowledge on the subject.

    Ipad 2: the Ipad is a toy. My 5yo son loves his. I found that you can have fun with it, but it's not very useful as a tool.

    BlackBerry Playbook: people deride this device, and but it's actually pretty slick. In terms of its UI, it runs rings around the Ipad. Of course it's app shortage was a fatal problem. It has one of the best tablet Web browsers.

    Asus eee Slate: this was a killer device. I loved the thing. Windows 7 kind of ducked on it, but once I installed windows 8CP it was fantastic. Unfortunately it was terribly bulky and heavy. It also had a subpar graphics card.

    Google Nexus 7: this is IMHO the best eReading device money can buy.

    Microsoft Surface RT : easily the most powerful and enjoyable tablet I've ever used. It needs more apps, but there a still plenty available. My go to device. My Dell laptop sits on my desk, always on for remote desktop action.

    Not everyone who likes windows 8/Surface is clueless about tablets and mobile computing.
    You're like me, have a go at anything and talk about the things you know about, I nearly bought the Blackberry Playbook it was a very nice little machine, I can't comment on the apps.

    I wish you wouldn't say those things about the RT, I nearly jumped in my car to go and buy one about an hour ago, I haven't got enough tablets, boy you sound like me.

    Unfortunately the Pro won't be coming to Australia any time soon and I can't see me lasting another week without some sort of Surface tablet. I've signed up for Office 365 so this would really compliment that.

    We need more people like you on here who can give an honest opinion on their experience, not something they've read about.

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    Note that I'm talking about desktop programs. In that context touch isn't that much of a leap. Stay focussed.

    In terms of touch overall, much depends on what one wants to do. Currently, the Windows 8 app store is short on apps and what it does have isn't overly inspiring and basically is trying to emulate the Apple and Android app stores (I've had a look at both of the latter). But at the end of the day, RT is fine for touch, as it's just another alternative to Apple/Android and aiming at the same consumer apps in the main.

    Why have you got such a bee in your bonnet, constantly saying that every opinion that goes against your point of view is wrong? You decry the very thing that you're doing yourself all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    You take lots of things out of context. The screen resolution is so high that trying to use the classic desktop is not a fun task. I was expecting to find a ton of value and potential in this device, however I am disappointed thus far. Maybe with more time I will come around, but the fact that the Surface is sitting on the table next to me and my wife is using her HP Laptop and I'm using the Chromebook doesn't bode well for the poor Surface Pro.
    Hey listen Mr Parks I'm busting to get a Surface Pro and seeing you're not using yours and I'm not using my iPad Mini, how about we do a clean swap. The Mini is a wonder to behold, it's made by Apple and is the fastest selling tablet at the moment. At least this way you'd have something to enjoy and I would too.

    Deal?
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    For someone who has bought numerous Apple and Android tablets, it simply makes you wonder why they haven't been prepared to buy at least one Windows tablet previously (at no greater cost), as they have been on the market well before there was even a hint of the Surface.

    The guy who criticises me about my views of Windows 8 doesn't even own a Windows 7 tablet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Note that I'm talking about desktop programs. In that context touch isn't that much of a leap. Stay focussed.

    In terms of touch overall, much depends on what one wants to do. Currently, the Windows 8 app store is short on apps and what it does have isn't overly inspiring and basically is trying to emulate the Apple and Android app stores (I've had a look at both of the latter). But at the end of the day, RT is fine for touch, as it's just another alternative to Apple/Android and aiming at the same consumer apps in the main.

    Why have you got such a bee in your bonnet, constantly saying that every opinion that goes against your point of view is wrong? You decry the very thing that you're doing yourself all the time.
    Just tell me one thing honestly Ray, who would you rather see succeed, Microsoft, Google or Apple, and which one would benefit you the most.

    When I bought my first Android tablet there were hardly any Android apps for tablets, I managed okay, I was patient and have a look at them now.

    There's just one thing missing from me and my tablets and phones, Windows. I'm as happy as a pig in mud that Microsoft is doing its utmost to get all this together, I'm patient, I know they'll get there.

    If not and they go broke Steve Balmer can come and stay at my place as long as he washes his own shirts and doesn't do that crazy chicken dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    For someone who has bought numerous Apple and Android tablets, it simply makes you wonder why they haven't been prepared to buy at least one Windows tablet previously (at no greater cost), as they have been on the market well before there was even a hint of the Surface.

    The guy who criticises me about my views of Windows 8 doesn't even own a Windows 7 tablet.
    Its because I'm a bit of a techie Ray and I knew they weren't ready for prime time, I chose what's best for me at the time based on what I knew. If it wasn't for Windows 8 I doubt I would have stuck with Windows much longer, not that I didn't like Windows, it's just like my first couple of comments on Cnet, I like to keep moving on, I get bored easily.

    If Microsoft starts to bring out new increments yearly, I'll be a much happier guy, and I'm sure most people will be once they get used to the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Just tell me one thing honestly Ray, who would you rather see succeed, Microsoft, Google or Apple, and which one would benefit you the most.

    When I bought my first Android tablet there were hardly any Android apps for tablets, I managed okay, I was patient and have a look at them now.

    There's just one thing missing from me and my tablets and phones, Windows. I'm as happy as a pig in mud that Microsoft is doing its utmost to get all this together, I'm patient, I know they'll get there.

    If not and they go broke Steve Balmer can come and stay at my place as long as he washes his own shirts and doesn't do that crazy chicken dance.
    I clearly want Microsoft to succeed, I've supported Microsoft for as long as it's been around and had lots of arguments with Apple lovers, but in non-tech forums where the discussions have been in a general section. I don't go bagging Apple, or Android, products in any forum. I still have every Windows OS CD going back to Windows 95 (I have no idea why). I threw out the floppy disks containing MS-DOS years ago.

    You see, I can support a product but also criticise it if it fails in any way. That's my opinion, my view, of the product. Because I criticise it doesn't mean that I hate the product, the criticism is levelled at the product when it's justified, in my view. And it seems that I'm not alone with the criticisms and much of what I've said before is now being reflected in public statements.

    My most noted criticism of Windows 8 is the MPI and it's inherent inflexibility, yet just today we find that Stardock has developed a program that addresses (hopefully) one of the most significant criticisms that I've levelled at Windows 8. If everyone is wrong about Windows 8, then it beggars belief that there are so many programs coming out addressing the very criticisms levelled at Windows 8 and people are eagerly waiting for them.

    If Microsoft attempts to kill those initiatives, like they did by removing the code from the pre-release version of Windows 8, which allowed a native resumption of the start button, then Microsoft deserves to be reviled. I want Microsoft to survive, but if it fails to listen to it's massive userbase, then it deserves to fail. I'll vale Microsoft with a glass of red and move on to something else, when Windows 7 eventually succumbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    For someone who has bought numerous Apple and Android tablets, it simply makes you wonder why they haven't been prepared to buy at least one Windows tablet previously (at no greater cost), as they have been on the market well before there was even a hint of the Surface.

    The guy who criticises me about my views of Windows 8 doesn't even own a Windows 7 tablet.
    Its because I'm a bit of a techie Ray and I knew they weren't ready for prime time, I chose what's best for me at the time based on what I knew. If it wasn't for Windows 8 I doubt I would have stuck with Windows much longer, not that I didn't like Windows, it's just like my first couple of comments on Cnet, I like to keep moving on, I get bored easily.

    If Microsoft starts to bring out new increments yearly, I'll be a much happier guy, and I'm sure most people will be once they get used to the idea.
    That's a complete oxymoron. You continue to buy Apple and Android products believing that they are crap, yet you've not even given Windows 7/8 a chance on a Windows dedicated tablet.

    I bought a Windows tablet nearly a year ago, because it was the most comprehensive portable device on the market, that would effectively run Windows 7 and even Windows 8, but with the need for a resolution hack that affects the desktop to some degree. The latter is another of my criticisms of Windows 8; there was no need to limit device resolution.

    When I criticise Windows 8, I can do so from first hand experience.
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    I suppose when you're doing a pre release you've got a right to think that you own the product and are trying to get people to look at it in a certain way. They've already said that now they don't care what people do. If I were to lend you my automatic car I wouldn't appreciate it if you pulled the gearbox out and replaced it with a manual.

    I personally have never thought that Windows 8 was the end product, just a start to try to get everything looking the same and then get it all working the same. Eventually one ecosystem across devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I suppose when you're doing a pre release you've got a right to think that you own the product and are trying to get people to look at it in a certain way. They've already said that now they don't care what people do. If I were to lend you my automatic car I wouldn't appreciate it if you pulled the gearbox out and replaced it with a manual.

    I personally have never thought that Windows 8 was the end product, just a start to try to get everything looking the same and then get it all working the same. Eventually one ecosystem across devices.
    Pre-releases are issued to seek out faults and to gain feedback on the design. Microsoft either failed to listen to feedback, or their source of feedback was skewed or limited. One has to worry if Microsoft has officially stated that they don't care what the world thinks about Windows 8, as that indicates they don't care about any other aspects either. However, I do think they care, or are seriously worried, as evidenced by the backflip regarding licence transferability.

    Your car analogy doesn't make any sense at all, so I won't go there. Windows has always been an evolving product, affected by the advances in technology and the needs of society/business. But in doing so, it has evolved and generated a userbase that has made it what it is, by supporting the needs of that userbase. Now it's thrown the baby out with the bath water in the mistaken belief that it knows best, or perhaps it's really a fear of being left behind in a market dominated by what you and some others call 'toys', that's driving Microsoft into transforming Windows into another toy OS.

    Be careful what you wish for, as it may come true.
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