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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    So all that the best tablet in the world can do is copy the others? Innovation, eh?
    Houston we have a problem.
    Android and iOS can do quite well with 64GB, and lower, the Surface RT as well. However, a full-blown desktop capable tablet should provide, as a minimum, 128GB, with an option for more.

    My Windows 7, Gigabyte S1080 tablet, introduced nearly two years ago, came out with a 320GB HDD, with an optional 128GB SSD. Two years down the track (a decade in tech) when SSDs are at least half the price, the Surface Pro starts out with a 64GB mSATA drive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    So all that the best tablet in the world can do is copy the others? Innovation, eh?
    Houston we have a problem.
    Android and iOS can do quite well with 64GB, and lower, the Surface RT as well. However, a full-blown desktop capable tablet should provide, as a minimum, 128GB, with an option for more.

    My Windows 7, Gigabyte S1080 tablet, introduced nearly two years ago, came out with a 320GB HDD, with an optional 128GB SSD. Two years down the track (a decade in tech) when SSDs are at least half the price, the Surface Pro starts out with a 64GB mSATA drive?
    Hi there
    I agree on that one - the 64GB SSD does seem a bit stingy these days -- on a tablet we should really be thinking about the 256GB models -- price of these now are coming down to near what I paid for a 128 GB SSD and will get cheaper in future.

    I'm not sure whether lightning speed is so important on a tablet compared with a desktop so the idea of say an i7 processor in one of these devices might also be a bit over the top -- a decently new type of i3 probably would be more than enough for most tasks -- I don't think the surface pro is meant to be a 100% replacement for a desktop or even a laptop -- it seems to me to be useful for some use as a laptop but I wouldn't want to have it as my ONLY laptop.

    (An i3 rather than i5 or i7 would also be much better for power consumption - longer battery life and not generate so much heat either in the small tablet form factor).

    As far as the i3 processor is concerned I have one on an Acer laptop that I've fitted with 8GB RAM and a decent SSD -- this laptop now performs nearly as well as another laptop I have with an i5 and a classical HDD. Same 8GB RAM - especially for the typical sort of tasks I want to do on a laptop,

    For 90% of people out there lack of CPU power I don't think is an issue at all these days. - For serious gaming etc you probably build your own rig or use one of those enormous Alienware type laptops which are hardly meant to be compared with a tablet.

    Cheers
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    I would agree on not really needing an i7, however, these tablets are meant to be used in both a docked and undocked situations.
    Not just as tablets that never get docked. Which is the whole point of having that video out.

    So, it really all depends on how you are going to use it most.

    An i7 for running around and doing things on the fly, but you know your battery will go within a couple of hours, this is the trade off
    accessing virtual machines, or working on some art project would benefit from an i7. Again, it depends on what you are doing with it.

    Can you do those things on an i3 or i5, function?, sure, but is an i7 better for that, no one can honestly say it's not.

    i3 is plenty for office type work, it's all a matter of the right tool for the job.

    Heck, you can do everything on a P3, but do you really want to? No.

    I also agree that the lowest should be a 128G SSD, 64G (which is really about 32G or so) even with the added 64G MicroSD, so right around 90G free, is not a lot these days.

    256G SSD should have been in the $999 version.
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    Hi there
    Virtual machines also run just fine with a decent i3 -- CPU utilisation isn't normally a problem when using VM's -- except in rare situations where the VM is doing some intensive "compute bound" type operations or it is a Virtual server with several users logged on to it.

    VM's need more than anything 1) Lots of RAM on HOST -- the most important , and 2) almost as important -- decent fast I/O --if you can use an SSD so much the better -- but use at least a USB3 ext disk if your Virtual Machine images are on external disks.

    Of course an i7 is better / faster etc than an i3 -- however most users simply wouldn't notice the difference -- especially in Surfing, playing movies / video / typical word processing / basic office tasks.

    Heat will be lower -- important in the enclosed space of a tablet, and battery life will be extended -- an i3 at idle consumes very little current.

    For people reading this post who've never tried an SSD --IMO this alone is probably the most important piece of kit you can add to your PC to improve performance -- even on OLD PC's (these days lack of RAM isn't a problem usually -- even cheap laptops are fitted with a minimum of 4GB).

    If I were getting a Surface Pro -- I'd rather have an i3 with a 256 GB SSD than say an i5 with a 500 GB HDD at the same price. Pity they don't offer these sort of options.

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    Furthering on what jimbo said, an SSD isn't all much about raw megabytes per second, but instead is about ultra low random access times and particularly in this case very high IOPS.

    However for many of us, vms do get large and SSDs are limited in storage space.

    I run my vms on standard drives and find that they absolutely fly. But I don't do things like run Photoshop or play games in vms. I test active directory, sql server, exchange, Linux stuff, etc.

    I would be lost without my vms. Single most important technology thing for me in past 5-10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Furthering on what jimbo said, an SSD isn't all much about raw megabytes per second, but instead is about ultra low random access times and particularly in this case very high IOPS.

    However for many of us, vms do get large and SSDs are limited in storage space.

    I run my vms on standard drives and find that they absolutely fly. But I don't do things like run Photoshop or play games in vms. I test active directory, sql server, exchange, Linux stuff, etc.

    I would be lost without my vms. Single most important technology thing for me in past 5-10 years.
    Hi there
    I doubt if many people would use a tablet for running a VM -- it would work if you really wanted to do it -- just as you could get from NY to LA using a Bicycle -- but I'm not sure that would be the method most people would chose --there's always one or two however. !!

    I'm really surprised now on the price drop of SSD's recently -- I've seen in the UK the SAMSUNG 840 PRO SSD's 256 GB model going for as little as 100 GBP -- remove the 20% VAT and that's 80 GBP (business / export outside EU can get VAT back) or around 110 USD.

    I've just got another 3 of these. The extra space is just decent enough to allow me to have a decent amount of data storage on the device as well.

    Technology will surely make larger capacities available -- I reckon in a few years Spinners will be obsolete.

    I'm going to test one of these having a W2K3 server VM installed on it and see what degradation I get over a few weeks with up to 4 users having access to the server --I've got copies of Office 2010 and a few other programs like this that can be run remotely -- will see what happens -- if the SSD degrades too quickly -- then nothing major lost --you have to be prepared to test some hardware "to destruction" to really say whether it's fit for purpose. With the 20 % VAT refund I couldn't resist these SSD's. The store only had 3 otherwise I would have got more !!!!. The 256 GB SSD is just fine for the W2K3 VM plus its programs / web server / MySQL DB etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    I'm actually in the market to replace my old 80GB Intel X25-M2 SSD with a 240-256GB model. I'm down to about 15GB of free space on the 80 and I keep a pretty clean machine. I've got a couple of games installed (Diablo III and Battlefield 3) and those take up lots of space.

    I've yet to see the Samsung 840 250GB under $189 at NewEgg. However, I have been contemplating the purchase of a Samsung 840 500GB which is currently $369 at Newegg.
    SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD500KW Solid State Drive - Newegg.com

    I spent $290 on my 80GB Intel back in the day....so either way the current prices don't bother me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I'm actually in the market to replace my old 80GB Intel X25-M2 SSD with a 240-256GB model. I'm down to about 15GB of free space on the 80 and I keep a pretty clean machine. I've got a couple of games installed (Diablo III and Battlefield 3) and those take up lots of space.

    I've yet to see the Samsung 840 250GB under $189 at NewEgg. However, I have been contemplating the purchase of a Samsung 840 500GB which is currently $369 at Newegg.
    SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD500KW Solid State Drive - Newegg.com

    I spent $290 on my 80GB Intel back in the day....so either way the current prices don't bother me.
    Hi there
    I'm quite good at sourcing cheap stuff -- the store wanted a clear out - they are getting ready for a promotion of a "New device" -- I rather suspect it's going to be an Ms area with the surface pro.

    The price I paid for these was significantly less than I paid for the 128 GB Samsung 840 SSD about a year ago.

    In the USA you should also probably be able to reclaim some tax / capital allowances back which should reduce the cost - especially if you can write these off against business purposes --doesn't even have to be PC related - can just be claimed for example even in a property rental business -- costs of "streamlining" / adding I.T to the business. A decent accountant would have an idea.

    Cheers
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    I don't have any business expense options that I can exercise. I don't run any business or have income unrelated to my w2 day job. I like to ensure that I pay my fair share of taxes...too many weasels our there who take advantage and leave lower income folks footing the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I don't have any business expense options that I can exercise. I don't run any business or have income unrelated to my w2 day job. I like to ensure that I pay my fair share of taxes...too many weasels our there who take advantage and leave lower income folks footing the bill.
    Hi there
    as self employed I have to pay Social security for both EMPLOYER and Employee, I don't get Holiday / sick / or even unemployment pay and have to provide for my own retirement - the basic state pension even in Nordic countries is not very good so when I can get a break I take it.

    It's not guys like us -- but some of those Bankers etc who get their businesses bailed out by the taxpayer -- and then walk away with huge bonuses - and their lawyers are STILL foreclosing people often for very tiny amounts of mortgage arrears -- anyway I'm not going down that route any more suffice to say self employed people do have to work for what they get (and I KNOW it's my choice ).

    Anyway the point is that SSD prices are coming down quite rapidly --and we should soon see some really useful capacities probably with even more enhanced performance improvements.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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