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  1. #101


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    You might think MS would have gone about it it sensibly, then.

    I have a theory as to why this whole thing is such a mess.
    If you're falling off a cliff you don't have much time to think.

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  2. #102


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    And I guess for me, I rarely would use the tablet as a tablet and would always be using it as a PC. Just visiting this site would be a nightmare on a tablet unless I had a keyboard and mouse. I WAS on my phone, but after seeing all of the responses that I wanted to quote and comment on, I put my phone away and grabbed my laptop because it's the only way I could have efficiently made this post.
    Precisely. I absolutely love using my iPad and iPhone for many things but I am constantly running into the same issue. If I come onto a message board on one of those devices it's fine for awhile when reading but as soon as I want to make a significant post involving editing any content I'm off the couch and back at my desk where I have a real keyboard. The tablets are excellent devices for some
    things.

    Tablets & phones will be a replacement for the PC for some people, but certainly not for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The reason I have 3 iPads is for travelling, I also have 3 Netbooks. Every time I go overseas, I buy the lightest travelling companion I can find. I have to justify them to my wife each time, I just say it will save us more money, because they're faster and easier or lighter. But they really do save me money, by looking up cheap flights hotels etc.
    I seriously can't believe that anything faster and lighter than yesterday's model, or yesteryear's model, is going to save money, if all it's used for is browsing the Internet. Using this logic, there is no place in Bill's life for a Surface, as it's certainly not the lightest device out there and possibly not the fastest.

    One can also see that Bill is anything but a typical Windows user, or consumer for that matter, like many here that raise issues about Windows 8 and so cannot relate to those people and their concerns. No wonder he's so defensive of any complaints, he simply cannot comprehend how those people can find issues with Windows 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I agree with your comments Max, especially with apps. Apple, especially, has consolidated its hold in a lot of professional and non-professional environments, aviation and medicine to name just two. Microsoft has always struggled to get developers on side to produce anything worthwhile. One of the things that I use my tablet for is off-road navigation and none of the major software providers cater for off-road, or on-road navigation on Windows; however, they all support Apple and Android.

    Microsoft can click-clack and play Funky Town all they like, but they really need to separate the funk from the functional.
    Microsoft has always been stronger in the enterprise markets and with desktop O/S software. Sometimes, honestly, I wonder why some companies just can't be content with the market they are in. They have to try and attack everything. It would have done Microsoft no harm to have simply said "Hey ... we're a PC software company and will continue to be the best at that and in the enterprise", but no ... they had to go try to take on Apple where Apple excels. I think Microsoft is in the middle of an identity crisis.

    I swear by Windows as a desktop O/S. For heavy data-intensive and professional software it can't be touched. As a vendor of tablet software? Not so much.

    -Max
    Theres no way any company can just sit back in this day and age, look at Nokia, RIM, Sony, LG etc, innovate or die.
    You missed my point. I didn't say MS should stop innovating. I'm saying that they shouldn't try to be everything to everybody, in ANY market. OK, then, by your logic maybe they should start innovating in the fast-food space. Microsoft hamburgers anybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The reason I have 3 iPads is for travelling, I also have 3 Netbooks. Every time I go overseas, I buy the lightest travelling companion I can find. I have to justify them to my wife each time, I just say it will save us more money, because they're faster and easier or lighter. But they really do save me money, by looking up cheap flights hotels etc.
    I seriously can't believe that anything faster and lighter than yesterday's model, or yesteryear's model, is going to save money, if all it's used for is browsing the Internet. Using this logic, there is no place in Bill's life for a Surface, as it's certainly not the lightest device out there and possibly not the fastest.

    One can also see that Bill is anything but a typical Windows user, or consumer for that matter, like many here that raise issues about Windows 8 and so cannot relate to those people and their concerns. No wonder he's so defensive of any complaints, he simply cannot comprehend how those people can find issues with Windows 8.
    I've never said I was a typical user, I've always said I'm a Tech nut, but I used to be chained to a desktop as well, so I can see both sides. It's because I'm a tech nut that I can see what Microsoft is trying to achieve and can see the huge benefits, especially for business, but for anyone like me who's completely Networked with various PCs and tablets and phones.

    Certainly I can see someone who has a single desktop thinking, what's going on here I'm quite happy with XP or whatever, what's Microsoft doing. But when you have multiple devices all networked the vision is clear, I must admit I'm really starting to enjoy Skydrive.

    I can tell you now the iPad 3 isn't the lightest or fastest tablet on the planet either, but it's quite good for its purpose and so will Surface be.
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  6. #106


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I'm sitting here with my iPad in one hand typing with one finger, it's amazing how fast you get. If I have to do a resume or something naturally it's the PC or Netbook.
    Typing speed is all relative. I've had IT friends that type with 2 fingers on a physical keyboard, so they probably type just as fast on their phones or their tablets. I type relatively quickly, with very few mistakes and use all of my fingers. This response here probably took me 20 seconds, tops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I'm sitting here with my iPad in one hand typing with one finger, it's amazing how fast you get. If I have to do a resume or something naturally it's the PC or Netbook.
    Typing speed is all relative. I've had IT friends that type with 2 fingers on a physical keyboard, so they probably type just as fast on their phones or their tablets. I type relatively quickly, with very few mistakes and use all of my fingers. This response here probably took me 20 seconds, tops.
    Yeah I'm pretty gifted when it comes to typing, when I'm hot I can do about 5 wpm, when I'm on fire I can get up to about 8.
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  8. #108


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Yeah I'm pretty gifted when it comes to typing, when I'm hot I can do about 5 wpm, when I'm on fire I can get up to about 8.
    LOL!

    When I was in junior high, I remember signing up for an elective keyboarding class. I honestly thought it was a music class until I went to the classroom and found the room full of IBM Selectric typewriters. I remember thinking, "When in the hell is this ever going to be useful".

    Then, in high school, I ended up taking a business typing class as well. Again, figured it was a useless skill, but was necessary to get credits in order to graduate.

    Now, looking back on things, typing is probably the single most useful thing that I ever learned in high school. Spelling ranks right up there too. But I'm amazed at how absolutely critical typing has been in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I actually would prefer to interact with the Desktop with touch. From my toying around with DPI settings on Windows 8 and a touchscreen, that makes a WORLD of a difference with touch input. Targets are just sized up a notch, which is all that you really need quite honestly is that DPI change, maybe changing icon size as well but that's dependent on the person.

    Typing with touch on Windows 8 is also what makes it better suited for tablets than 7, that keyboard layout in Windows 8 is honestly the very best touch keyboard on a tablet I've come across to date.

    But, if you have a tablet PC running 7 and end up using it more with a mouse and keyboard than touch.....it sounds like some purpose is defeated, no? Also, Windows 8 is just SO much more better on the Desktop than 7. There is Storage Spaces to take advantage of (if you're running Pro on a tablet, you have data redundancy features, on a TABLET!), Hybrid Boot, a revamped Task Manager, Windows Defender, and just overall improvements that makes using Windows 7 almost like using a rotary dial telephone over a keypad phone.
    Unfortunately, it just doesn't work that way. As posted in one of the reviews, changing the DPI settings upsets other things, so it's a kludge. This is where Microsoft erred in a big way, they should have allowed Windows 8 to work at any screen resolution and that would have addressed a number of issues. It almost seems that they have acknowledged this in a backhand sort of way, by displaying some things at 150%.

    If you're suggesting that using a mouse and keyboard with a tablet is defeating the purpose, can you please ask Microsoft why they produced the click-clack keyboards. Clearly they thought that a keyboard was important, or even essential. But what do they know?

    The main issue that just about everyone has with Windows 8 has nothing to do with the underlying OS and the incremental improvements that it has added to the Windows 7 baseline. And, seriously, the examples that you mention in no way affect the average user experience, or would even be evident to the average user. Certainly the click-clack suits in Funky Town would think a Storage Space was in the attic or basement of their house, and a Hybrid Boot was something you could wear to a football match and later to a cocktail party.
    There's a reason why the resolution was bumped up for the first time in six years: too low of resolution and too small screen size can cause issues with certain Desktop software. Some programs that don't resize the window and display in one window size won't actually fit in the screen. This was a problem I saw with netbooks and that screen resolution, a program I once had installed and usually they're utilities than anything, the Taskbar hides certain pieces of the program's window, so the user experience suffers, and the UI suffers some. Also, standards need to be improved. Just because YOUR tablet PC doesn't meet the proper resolution isn't cause to make industry standard for a software to change just for you.

    And there is a reason why the clicky clacky keyboard doesn't come as standard equipment with a base Surface tablet.

    And no, every person that uses Windows that actually KNOWS how to use it will use those features. Task Manager is one that will be used more often, as Action Center notifies you of start up programs that causes long boot times, which will open Task Manager. People that don't buy or install an anti-virus program benefits from Windows Defender after the first boot up of their PC. People that shut down their PC daily and boot up daily benefits from Hybrid Boot even if they don't know what it is, if it's faster it's better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    $1000 for a tablet? Eh...

    Granted, I haven't looked into the specs or anything in this variation of the Surface, but that much for a Tablet is just, I can't comprehend buying something like that.
    1,000 dollars for a PC. It's pretty hard to comprehend for many people that a tablet and a PC can be one.
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