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    Photoshop and Autocad on an 11 inch tablet sounds a real joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    One thing I do believe is that the Surface Pro is better than anything that's been done to date. It might not be 100% perfect but then neither is the opposition.
    I think it more accurate to say that the Surface Pro is better for you than anything done to date thus far. I think there are many who might prefer a smaller form factor, lighter weight, longer battery life, etc. You seem to want portable Windows. Nothing wrong with that either, but it doesn't mean the Windows device is the best thing ever made across the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    That's why I have a typecover case and a wireless mouse, for when I'm using the tablet as a PC.
    And I guess for me, I rarely would use the tablet as a tablet and would always be using it as a PC. Just visiting this site would be a nightmare on a tablet unless I had a keyboard and mouse. I WAS on my phone, but after seeing all of the responses that I wanted to quote and comment on, I put my phone away and grabbed my laptop because it's the only way I could have efficiently made this post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    I don't see anything (or, didn't ... I'm not on Win8 anymore) in the Windows App store that can touch certain iPad programs I have like "ForeFlight" (a pilots charting & navigation program). With my iPad, paper charts and approach plates have been rendered obsolete.
    You have hit the nail on the head. I don't think many Windows folks get the very specialized App support of the iPad. If you are just using the iPad to surf the web or read your email, then it's probably nothing special. But the fact that the iPad device is more or less the "universal standard" means you can damn well believe you will get some very specialized app support. I do some audio work on the side, running mixing boards and such...and YEP...there are iPad apps that allow you to remotely run the front of house boards or monitor boards while standing on stage working with the musicians. I attend some audio classes every week and there are about 15 of us who regularly attend. Most have MacBooks, iPad's and iPhones. Some have all 3, with them, every week. I'm the only one there who only brings an Android phone. I take my notes using a pen and a notepad.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've got 3 iPads, I don't see anything really fantastic about them, they crash more than my Android tablet, Apps crash, Safari used to crash numerous times per day, WiFi dropouts, slowdowns for no reason at all etc. Its not because there's anything wrong with a specific iPad it happens to all 3.
    Wonders to myself why you have 3 iPads. I know a lot of people who use iPads daily and I don't hear them complaining of this level of problems with them. I've been in many classes and trainings where people run the slideshows and such from their iPads and things have run very smoothly.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I don't mind the iPad, but I don't think I'll be buying anymore Apple stuff in the future, it's not that good.
    That is why i have never purchased an Apple product myself. There always seems to be a better product, that fits me better and almost always costs less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I actually would prefer to interact with the Desktop with touch. From my toying around with DPI settings on Windows 8 and a touchscreen, that makes a WORLD of a difference with touch input.
    Well, I know that YOU would. But you are different. As it stands today, personally I don't want touch on a desktop at all. It only slows me down. Perhaps down the road a few years when things have changed, it will be better. But we aren't even close today for me to personally want to touch. Even after spending a couple of weeks setting up All in One touchscreen systems, from both HP and Acer, I can honestly say that they all left me disappointed. But I remember you practically drooling all over yourself after playing with the AiO's at Best Buy..so clearly we have different responses to the same technology.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That's because YOUR thinking of a tablet is the one that apple wants to you think of: low powered, long battery life, and forces you to use different and multiple devices.
    I'm thinking about any tablet that I have ever used. I've had to setup iPad's (both full size and mini) at work, I've used Android tablets at work (nexus 7, samsung tab 7's and 10's). I've used Blackberry Playbooks at work (my coworker is a huge Blackberry fan and he has a couple of them), I've used Windows 7 tablets in the office (even the cheap chinese knockoffs)....and they all leave me feeling frustrated and annoyed.

    And I don't think multiple devices are necessarily bad. For example, why in the world would i ever want to use a surface pro as a book reader? It's HEAVY (compared to my kindle), the backlight is fatiguing (compared to a kindle paperwhite), it will need to be charged every 5 hours (compared to 8 weeks with my kindle), it's noisy (compared to my Kindle), and it's expensive (compared to my Kindle). Having a Surface Pro to replace a Kindle would be an absolute awful proposition if you ask me.


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Wonder why MS is in a panic now then.
    Yes sir. They are certainly scrambling.

    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    Photoshop and Autocad on an 11 inch tablet sounds a real joy.
    It's a matter of "it could be done", but I don't think many would actually do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I agree with your comments Max, especially with apps. Apple, especially, has consolidated its hold in a lot of professional and non-professional environments, aviation and medicine to name just two. Microsoft has always struggled to get developers on side to produce anything worthwhile. One of the things that I use my tablet for is off-road navigation and none of the major software providers cater for off-road, or on-road navigation on Windows; however, they all support Apple and Android.

    Microsoft can click-clack and play Funky Town all they like, but they really need to separate the funk from the functional.
    Microsoft has always been stronger in the enterprise markets and with desktop O/S software. Sometimes, honestly, I wonder why some companies just can't be content with the market they are in. They have to try and attack everything. It would have done Microsoft no harm to have simply said "Hey ... we're a PC software company and will continue to be the best at that and in the enterprise", but no ... they had to go try to take on Apple where Apple excels. I think Microsoft is in the middle of an identity crisis.

    I swear by Windows as a desktop O/S. For heavy data-intensive and professional software it can't be touched. As a vendor of tablet software? Not so much.

    -Max
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've got 3 iPads, I don't see anything really fantastic about them, they crash more than my Android tablet, Apps crash, Safari used to crash numerous times per day, WiFi dropouts, slowdowns for no reason at all etc. Its not because there's anything wrong with a specific iPad it happens to all 3.

    I believe the main problem with iPads is Apple, they've got the worst software engineers on the planet. Every time they bring out an update something else goes wrong. As far as Apps go, Windows will end up with a lot more than Apple. There are a lot of good apps on the iPad but there's also a lot of rubbish. If Surface and Windows 8 start to take off developers will be jumping over the top of each other trying to get Apps ready.

    I don't mind the iPad, but I don't think I'll be buying anymore Apple stuff in the future, it's not that good.
    Interesting. I've found the iPads and iPhones very reliable. Perhaps the mix of applications.

    As for PC, I can't imagine dumping a Windows box for a Mac. Even if it was "better" (as Apple fanboys will say) I can't see it, nor will I dump thousands of my investment in PC-related development tools and other things just so I can have an Apple-minted PC.

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    I agree Max. I have an iPhone and iPad. But all my computers and servers are Windows.
    Microsoft are not innovators and have failed every time they have tried that route, what they do brilliantly is to refine others innovation (and buy up and suppress potential competitors). They should stick to doing what they do best producing server and workstation OSs and the back office systems to support it. They don't understand tablets, phones or the mass consumer market and should leave well alone.
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    $1000 for a tablet? Eh...

    Granted, I haven't looked into the specs or anything in this variation of the Surface, but that much for a Tablet is just, I can't comprehend buying something like that.
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    . Wonders to myself why you have 3 iPads. I know a lot of people who use iPads daily and I don't hear them complaining of this level of problems with them. I've been in many classes and trainings where people run the slideshows and such from their iPads and things have run very smoothly.

    Originally Posted by BillWindows
    I don't mind the iPad, but I don't think I'll be buying anymore Apple stuff in the future, it's not that good.
    The reason I have 3 iPads is for travelling, I also have 3 Netbooks. Every time I go overseas, I buy the lightest travelling companion I can find. I have to justify them to my wife each time, I just say it will save us more money, because they're faster and easier or lighter. But they really do save me money, by looking up cheap flights hotels etc.

    People always rubbish Netbooks, but they have saved me heaps of money, and I know who looks more stupid at an Airport someone with a 17" Laptop or me with a 10" Netbook. People call them cheap plastic crap, yet I've never had any problems with them, yet my iPads crash quite often.

    I wouldn't use a Surface as an E Reader either, but then I don't use any of my tablets as a reader, I have a Kindle for that. Casual reading yes books no.

    Look I know it sounds as if I say my iPads crash all day, they don't, but they do crash more frequently than anything else I've owned. The crashes aren't that bad, same as on Android, an app crashes, you start again, just a few seconds.

    As far as typing on tablets, I'm sitting here with my iPad in one hand typing with one finger, it's amazing how fast you get. If I have to do a resume or something naturally it's the PC or Netbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    $1000 for a tablet? Eh...

    Granted, I haven't looked into the specs or anything in this variation of the Surface, but that much for a Tablet is just, I can't comprehend buying something like that.
    128GB iPad same price if not more by the time it's usable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I agree with your comments Max, especially with apps. Apple, especially, has consolidated its hold in a lot of professional and non-professional environments, aviation and medicine to name just two. Microsoft has always struggled to get developers on side to produce anything worthwhile. One of the things that I use my tablet for is off-road navigation and none of the major software providers cater for off-road, or on-road navigation on Windows; however, they all support Apple and Android.

    Microsoft can click-clack and play Funky Town all they like, but they really need to separate the funk from the functional.
    Microsoft has always been stronger in the enterprise markets and with desktop O/S software. Sometimes, honestly, I wonder why some companies just can't be content with the market they are in. They have to try and attack everything. It would have done Microsoft no harm to have simply said "Hey ... we're a PC software company and will continue to be the best at that and in the enterprise", but no ... they had to go try to take on Apple where Apple excels. I think Microsoft is in the middle of an identity crisis.

    I swear by Windows as a desktop O/S. For heavy data-intensive and professional software it can't be touched. As a vendor of tablet software? Not so much.

    -Max
    Theres no way any company can just sit back in this day and age, look at Nokia, RIM, Sony, LG etc, innovate or die.

    When I first got my iPads I couldn't believe how much they crashed, especially Safari. Like I said Apple sucks at software, loot at iMaps and look on the net, the forums are full of people with problematic iPhones and iPads, Macs etc. Funny thing is you'll never hear a fanboy say anything bad about them. They just work.

    I'm a bit of a tech nut so I can easily see what goes on around the place, I can tell you now, Microsoft has no alternative, it has to keep trying something new or get left behind.

    Oh and I agree the iPad has some awesome Apps, for me Flights Plus is absolutely amazing and there are plenty of others, but Android is not that far behind.
    Last edited by BillWindows; 12 Feb 2013 at 17:32.
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    You might think MS would have gone about it it sensibly, then.

    I have a theory as to why this whole thing is such a mess.
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