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Is the Xbox a sign of the future

  1. #11


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    Well if they only want to go for the "Yoof" market --that's their choice -- however the people for whom this market is supposedly aimed at are probably the "most financially stressed" group of anybody -- often the under 27 market has very high unemployment, not particularly great job prospects, almost zero savings to withstand any sudden change of circumstances, and if they do go to university probably are having to pay enormous fees, and as for buying property would have to put down ENORMOUS deposits -- in my day nearly everybody got FREE university and for mortgages 100% was very easy to get.(Maybe too easily -- but that's another whole issue).

    I think the days of people being "Tethered" all day long to a computer are essentially over --and while the Xbox makes a good gaming platform for those that are in that market - it's still a NICHE market that has absolutely NO INTEREST WHATSOVEVER to millions of people like me around (our generation still probably has the most disposable income currently -- the 50 - 68's -- No mortgages, usually decent pensions if retired etc etc probably decent disposable income, no employment worries and made a "Bomb" on the property market years ago so could very profitably "downsize" to release a shedload of cash if they wanted to).

    A lot of companies are actually missing this market which is a very lucrative one.

    Ms certainly is at a crossroads in its development but you have to be extremely careful in which direction you head.

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  2. #12


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    .I think the days of people being "Tethered" all day long to a computer are essentially over --and while the Xbox makes a good gaming platform for those that are in that market - it's still a NICHE market that has absolutely NO INTEREST WHATSOVEVER to millions of people like me around (our generation still probably has the most disposable income currently -- the 50 - 68's -- No mortgages, usually decent pensions if retired etc etc probably decent disposable income, no employment worries and made a "Bomb" on the property market years ago so could very profitably "downsize" to release a shedload of cash if they wanted to).
    Microsoft knows those days are essentially over, hence we have Windows 8 or Windows on the go anywhere. I don't think MS will miss out if they can get a reasonable market share with tablets. Tablets are great while travelling and looking for hotels, flights and restaurants, we have an app for that. One of the first apps in the store was, you guessed it, a travel app.

    As far as the Xbox goes, I think most people will eventually buy online, they already do on iTunes and Playstore. Some might oppose it for a while, but it's the way of the future. It's like going from a horse and buggy to an automobile.

    if Microsoft misses out on this, they are up a creek without a paddle.
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  3. #13


    There has been a lot of talk about this, both on the Xbox platform and the Sony Platform. Both vendors have been looking at options to lock a game disc to a specific console, thus eliminating any ability to sell back or buy used games. I would have to assume a special rental version of the disc would be available, but will likely come with a very high price tag to rental companies and thus limit the # of titles they make available.

    In some respects, i would like to eliminate the discs altogether and just do digital downloads. I always install my game discs to my 360 anyways. And as long as I have the ability to redownload previously purchased content, I don't have to worry about deleting old content in order to allow new content. But with all things, what if they decide to shut down their service...you end up left owning a digital product that you don't have anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    There has been a lot of talk about this, both on the Xbox platform and the Sony Platform. Both vendors have been looking at options to lock a game disc to a specific console, thus eliminating any ability to sell back or buy used games. I would have to assume a special rental version of the disc would be available, but will likely come with a very high price tag to rental companies and thus limit the # of titles they make available.

    In some respects, i would like to eliminate the discs altogether and just do digital downloads. I always install my game discs to my 360 anyways. And as long as I have the ability to redownload previously purchased content, I don't have to worry about deleting old content in order to allow new content. But with all things, what if they decide to shut down their service...you end up left owning a digital product that you don't have anymore.
    Hi there
    That's already happened with some digital media services such as the EXCELLENT Logitech squeezebox devices -- the service is being phased out -- so what's left -- redundant hardware.

    I'd always try an avoid any service like this where you are dependent on a "provider" over which you have absolutely no control.
    People don't stay in business for ever -- and if the platform service disappears --you are just left with a load of junk destined for a one way trip to the tip.

    Always try and find a way you could still run the stuff if the provider disappears.

    Fortunately for users of Logitech squeezebox equipment software is available to run this stuff locally via a FREE software media server (MySQL based) which is quite good so you can still use the devices to media stream from your network without relying on the my.squeezebox.com servers which could shut down any time soon.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    There has been a lot of talk about this, both on the Xbox platform and the Sony Platform. Both vendors have been looking at options to lock a game disc to a specific console, thus eliminating any ability to sell back or buy used games. I would have to assume a special rental version of the disc would be available, but will likely come with a very high price tag to rental companies and thus limit the # of titles they make available.

    In some respects, i would like to eliminate the discs altogether and just do digital downloads. I always install my game discs to my 360 anyways. And as long as I have the ability to redownload previously purchased content, I don't have to worry about deleting old content in order to allow new content. But with all things, what if they decide to shut down their service...you end up left owning a digital product that you don't have anymore.
    I'm still not getting why it's such a big deal on why digital content on a disk can't be used elsewhere on someone else's console. Your account and game scores aren't on the disk, they're on the hard drive of the console or in the Cloud somewhere. The disk is just the media. If that's meant to prevent piracy, it might be better for everyone else to look at a different method.

    Speaking of that, the new Xbox will have a disk player on there simply because not everyone has a zippy internet connection. For example, I know that my brother who lives about 25 miles away from me has a shoddy internet connection at their house; so having digital downloads in that situation would be poopy.
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    I'd love to see the Xbox Games app on Windows filter out the games for Windows based on your PC's hardware. So something like Crysis can't be installed or ran on an Intel Atom based system as to prevent the obvious,

    No, can't agree with that. I've always enjoyed trying to get things to run on systems and OSes that they technically shouldn't. To me, it's just an inherent part of computing. And I've had some surprising successes (you should come play with my WfW 3.11 setup!!). I wouldn't like to see my ability to do that taken away simply because others can't do it, or don't understand the risks/dangers of trying. That IS 'dumbing-down', in its most insidious form.

    Wenda.

    *Edit: - Just uncovered a selection of working 'vintage' PCI graphics cards, so now I can get the Gfx working properly on my W95 and earlier setups. They don't like the 32MB TNT2 AGP that much, it's too 'modern'. :-( *
    There's that, but I'm talking about the average person who knows computing to the point where they for some reason, believe the current Xbox is more powerful than any PC. This is a lie. Having those things filtered out with the games and hardware would prevent a lot of people posting here or on Microsoft's Support Forums on why they can't get Grand Theft Automobile 5 running on their Atom powered tablet even though it runs fine on the Xbox. Actually, that's part of the reason why some game developers focus on the console over the PC as to not have to deal with the infinite configuration options and the infinite amount of support questions about why a high end game can't run well on mid range hardware.
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    I'm still not getting why it's such a big deal on why digital content on a disk can't be used elsewhere on someone else's console. Your account and game scores aren't on the disk, they're on the hard drive of the console or in the Cloud somewhere. The disk is just the media. If that's meant to prevent piracy, it might be better for everyone else to look at a different method.

    Speaking of that, the new Xbox will have a disk player on there simply because not everyone has a zippy internet connection. For example, I know that my brother who lives about 25 miles away from me has a shoddy internet connection at their house; so having digital downloads in that situation would be poopy.
    It is called GREED the developer does not get any money form the sale of used games as with games you get tired of playing them
    then you can sell them to other gamers or trade them for a new game. When you tie them to a box then you cannot trade or resell them. Looks like M$ is trying to kill another golden goose.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    I'm still not getting why it's such a big deal on why digital content on a disk can't be used elsewhere on someone else's console. Your account and game scores aren't on the disk, they're on the hard drive of the console or in the Cloud somewhere. The disk is just the media. If that's meant to prevent piracy, it might be better for everyone else to look at a different method.

    Speaking of that, the new Xbox will have a disk player on there simply because not everyone has a zippy internet connection. For example, I know that my brother who lives about 25 miles away from me has a shoddy internet connection at their house; so having digital downloads in that situation would be poopy.
    It is called GREED the developer does not get any money form the sale of used games as with games you get tired of playing them
    then you can sell them to other gamers or trade them for a new game. When you tie them to a box then you cannot trade or resell them. Looks like M$ is trying to kill another golden goose.
    That's just so stupid. That would be like not being able to sell my car even though the company doesn't make that car or support it anymore. I have the ownership and rights to sell it.

    This digital media copyright protections crap is SO overzealous and superfluous. If you take a situation of DRM management and apply that to a physical good, it'd be ridiculous and stupid and everyone would be against it. Not sure why some companies do that just because it's digital...
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  9. #19


    This isn't just a Microsoft thing, Sony has a patent to do the same thing on PS4
    Sony patent describes tech that will block used games on PlayStation 4 | Digital Trends
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  10. #20


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    The way to stop this manipulation is for people to vote with their wallets.

    If this seems impossible because it’s incredibly user unfriendly, remember that Sony is no stranger to such policies. The PS Vita is a prime example. Each Vita memory card, expensive proprietary technology on its own, can only be tied to a single PlayStation Network ID. Many Vita games like Uncharted: Golden Abyss, require a memory card to even function. If two people are going to share a Vita, they need multiple memory cards. This patent is a logical next step.
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