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  1. #81


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    Coke, it's because their co-worker or a friend or a combo of commercial and the sales person not showing them anything else or much else. Remember, a lot of these sales guys don't really know jack, think of them as the Best Buy Geek that can't answer the simple question of ,,, do you have USB Graphics Adapter for an external Monitor, no we don't carry those, then walk over and find it on the shelf near the video cards. Or, what's the best way to clean up my system? The go to answer is WebRoot (garbage).
    I need a CAT 5e cable, well all of our cables are over here, what did you need again? CAT what?
    Sorry, best buy so called geeks are dumb as rocks. Same for Cell Phone Sales People, I have no idea how it is that I can always stump them.

    Anyway, that's your answer,,, lack of education on the subject, and lack of sales people not really being able to sell a proper product, because they aren't really allowed to give much in way of opinion or they just don't know, or the customer is always right, or they actually do give their opinion cause it is what they use.

    Anyway, it's probably all of the above really.

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  2. #82


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Ummmm...... what?

    MOST older people aren't into change, and some market data I've seen shows that they're more likely to use android. Usually when I'm at an att or Verizon and some older person is buying their first smartphone, it's generally an android. Why? I can't say. Price maybe? Hardware configurations? I don't know. It's disgusting to use and I feel it is a great disservice.
    And so the 'thick plotens'.
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  3. #83


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Ummmm...... what?

    MOST older people aren't into change, and some market data I've seen shows that they're more likely to use android. Usually when I'm at an att or Verizon and some older person is buying their first smartphone, it's generally an android. Why? I can't say. Price maybe? Hardware configurations? I don't know. It's disgusting to use and I feel it is a great disservice.
    And so the 'thick plotens'.
    Hi there
    @cokeRobot
    What do you mean with this ageist comment - older people don't like change.

    I'm actually over pensionable age (in some countries) and probably have used more gadgets / phones / computers than most people have had hot dinners.

    If you actually go through even THIS forum most of the Nay sayers on W8 are usually the youngish "techno geeks" who probably are experts in running obtuse command line scripts or compiling really obscure Linux kernels to support some weird device of which there is precisely one copy in the entire world but really don't have a clue how a "Typical" person uses a machine.

    A lot of these "Typical" users are Non Technical" and often in the "Older" age bracket -- My Dad for example had absolutely NO problem with W8 whatsoever -- as soon as he saw it he wanted it too and was using it even quicker than I was at first. He got his first smart phone at age 89 and had no problem whatsoever in using it. (He of course is of an age where people are used to reading manuals and working out what you have to do -- it's often the younger ones who try for about 7 seconds, ask a ridiculous question on google, can't interpret the result and then cry all over the Internet that the device is junk because they can't make it work.

    I'd be very careful - especially these days -- saying older people don't like change --- not change for change sake but GENUINE decent change that does bring things to the table.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #84


    Agree with you whole heartedly, Jimbo. Just because there's snow on the roof doesn't mean there's not a fire in the furnace. Although not a majority, but a substantial amount of forum members are ages 61 and older according to Which age category do you fall in? - View Poll Results. Roughly 22%, if one considers 61 and on to be our elder years. 51 to 60 being the most at 25%, which is quite interesting. This may be due to the fact that their younger school years were at the time of when computer tech was really beginning to take off, therefore more sought education and careers in this field. I dare say that most of the naysayers are in this category. Perhaps they know best?

    LOL on the impatience and ignorance of the younger. If they only knew what it was like back in the day. Now we have Plug N Play. The worse thing that could happen is that one may have to look for a working driver! Another thing I notice is they go into all kinds of settings and tweeks only to botch the machine up. It's funny how we enjoy the KISS method when older.
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  5. #85


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    This is the part I can't understand, surely a guy with your qualifications can see the benefits of what Microsoft is trying to do here, even though in your case I know you're having a few problems. Surely the end goal justifies the means.
    Without a doubt I can see what Microsoft is trying to do. And I'll repeat again, I'm not a Microsoft hater. But just because I can see them trying to make a change because a change needs to be made, doesn't mean that I like the change. For me personally, Windows 8 in it's current form, isn't for me. It annoys me, it's half done and it doesn't flex whatsoever to the way that I want to work. I can only sit and hope that the next iteration improves.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    If Microsoft can get this altogether, you'll have a phone, a tablet and PC's all connected through the cloud, what am I missing here, why is everyone so upset.
    People are upset because of the lack of customization of this new system....an overall lack of choice. Some of us don't see the advantage of the start screen, and would instead prefer the start menu. But unlike all past releases of Windows, we don't have a classic view choice. I don't want to spend money on a new OS simply because "it's new", when it annoys the crap out of me when i use it. I know how to use it, I've learned my way around, but I certainly don't prefer it.

    And as it stands today, i don't have a Microsoft phone, nor a Microsoft tablet and I'm not likely to have either of these 2 devices anytime soon. I've recently got a new Android at work and am on a 2 year contract and I thus far I love my Samsung Galaxy S3 and my wife has one too. With respects to Tablets, my Android tablet does a suitable job for what I want a tablet to do. I already have a desktop and a laptop...so I really don't need another computer that is in a tablet form factor. So, unfortunately the overall goal right now is somewhat lost on me.



    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Bet you anything if those older guys use a phone, it's probably an android.

    Market research seems to show this....
    Well, Microsoft phones are relatively new in the market place. Android phones have been around for a while. Many people use phones on a contract, so we are either locked in for awhile yet, or have been locked in for awhile. So, Windows phones haven't even entered our periphery yet. And couple that with the fact that people don't want to be on their own, so if their friends and family have iPhones or Androids, chances are they will want to stick to that as well, rather than being the only one on the Windows phone.
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  6. #86


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    Hi everybody
    Of course W8 is a new iteration of Windows and is probably the first OS that's tried to bridge the gap between the older traditional desktop methods and the new portable mobile devices like smart phones.

    Iteration 1 of any new OS is usually not the most successful -- if people can cast their minds back over a few decades -- OS/2 was infinitely better than Windows but IBM just didn't have the patience to try and get individual users on board -- and so it died the death. Windows was just an upstart but Ms in those days at least attempted to connect with individuals and small businesses and eventually Windows made it whereas OS/2 is nothing but history.

    Had IBM listened to what individual consumers wanted rather than relying on "Corporate clones" Ms might have never existed -- still good luck to Ms for exploiting what was a gap in the market at that time.

    The next realease - Windows 9 or whatever it will be called I'm sure will fix most of the gripes people have with W8 -- but should we really be griping at an OS that attempts to provide a common interface for all our devices. There will be enough feedback for Ms to build on W8's strengths (which it DOES actually have) and repair the weaknesses (which it also has).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #87


    Well said, Jim. :thumbup: I can't add anymore to that.
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  8. #88


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi everybody
    Of course W8 is a new iteration of Windows and is probably the first OS that's tried to bridge the gap between the older traditional desktop methods and the new portable mobile devices like smart phones.

    Iteration 1 of any new OS is usually not the most successful -- if people can cast their minds back over a few decades -- OS/2 was infinitely better than Windows but IBM just didn't have the patience to try and get individual users on board -- and so it died the death. Windows was just an upstart but Ms in those days at least attempted to connect with individuals and small businesses and eventually Windows made it whereas OS/2 is nothing but history.

    Had IBM listened to what individual consumers wanted rather than relying on "Corporate clones" Ms might have never existed -- still good luck to Ms for exploiting what was a gap in the market at that time.

    The next realease - Windows 9 or whatever it will be called I'm sure will fix most of the gripes people have with W8 -- but should we really be griping at an OS that attempts to provide a common interface for all our devices. There will be enough feedback for Ms to build on W8's strengths (which it DOES actually have) and repair the weaknesses (which it also has).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I think that the way M$ is going there will not be a Windows 9 they will be going to yearly service packs like the fruit company like windows blue. As for OS/2 I agree with you I used it until XP because of no hardware support Windows 7 has caught up with the last OS/2 in performance. It is still alive.

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  9. #89


    I agree, Jimbo: Windows 9, Windows Blue, whatever comes next will likely be meant to both fix what's wrong with Windows 8 and enhance its strengths.

    I'm still firmly ensconced in my Windows 7 world and quite happy there. Maybe future changes will be enough to persuade me to do more than dabble in the new OS.
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  10. #90


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    jimbo...

    should we really be griping at an OS that attempts to provide a common interface for all our devices
    Not necessarily.

    But shouldn't we reject an o/s that tries to lead us to a place where we have less freedom ?
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