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  1. #191


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Do you think it would be wise for MS to go into direct competition with the oem's ?


    Dave,

    It won't sell as many as an OEM Windows 8 tablet with a Atom CPU, 2GB RAM and 64GB drive for $500.
    The next gen Intel Haswell i3 or atom with similar specs will be enough for the Average non-business user and even the non-intensive business user.
    MS may come out with this version, if they are smart.
    I don't think anyone can label MS wise, 'maybe' in some areas. Generally they have their share of screwups.
    They are currently in direct competition with OEMs, just a matter of how far they will take it.

    I would guess they would have the two 'top end' versions they have now and a lower spec Win8 Pro version. Possibly a low spec 7" version, likely RT.

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    "We had to agree with Microsoft on each and every component that had a software impact, that had a device driver."
    That doesn't suggest anything about the cardboard and chewing gum making up the case etc. It was purely to do with software.

    Maybe you just read too much into such things.
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  3. #193


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    "We had to agree with Microsoft on each and every component that had a software impact, that had a device driver."
    That doesn't suggest anything about the cardboard and chewing gum making up the case etc. It was purely to do with software.

    Maybe you just read too much into such things.
    Regulating software dictates making sure hardware is up to par. Unlike android where there is no software regulations of ANY kind, user experience tends to suffer across different devices, part of which means cruddy hardware running cruddy software. This is the kind of thing Microsoft prevented by being so involved.

    "Microsoft also reportedly spent more time testing Windows RT tablets from PC OEMs than normal Windows 8 PCs."

    I also don't read into one-liners versus the whole story
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    I don't know of one Android, or Apple, user that is dissatisfied with their device, whether it be hardware, software or device construction. Pretty much everything nowadays comes from the same few manufacturers, so the quality is going to be on a par. Are you suggesting that the Arm processor in an Android device is cruddy compared to that in a Windows RT device? Did Microsoft drop test, dust test, child test etc the devices, or simply test the operation of the software on the devices? If you think the former, I think you are delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I don't know of one Android, or Apple, user that is dissatisfied with their device, whether it be hardware, software or device construction. Pretty much everything nowadays comes from the same few manufacturers, so the quality is going to be on a par. Are you suggesting that the Arm processor in an Android device is cruddy compared to that in a Windows RT device? Did Microsoft drop test, dust test, child test etc the devices, or simply test the operation of the software on the devices? If you think the former, I think you are delusional.
    Hmmm, android tablets are still exceeded by ipads, most android tablet sales are sub 300 dollars devices so they're going to be nothing more than internet appliances. Most people are happy if they can touch their facebook or twitter.

    Regardless, there are people that still complain about the nexus 7 on the Tegra 4 being slow with android but the Surface RT isn't slow on the Tegra 4. Some people say otherwise. It varies, much like the overall user experience with android. It could be good for some, a poor experience for others. But usually, a good user experience comes from the high end.

    Unlike Windows in general, you don't need to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to achieve something decent; because there are requirements and standards in place to ensure that.

    And no, I don't understand why you'd assume without any forethought that I'd think Microsoft be child testing or drug test OEM RT tablets. My assumption is that they took an in depth look at the OEM tablets, use them for Office 2013 and the metro apps and if the tablet could handle that usage. If that tablet has several I/O ports, do they all function properly and properly placed? Do the tablets work correctly with other devices? Do the tablets have keyboard docks that work properly?

    The logical stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I don't know of one Android, or Apple, user that is dissatisfied with their device, whether it be hardware, software or device construction. Pretty much everything nowadays comes from the same few manufacturers, so the quality is going to be on a par. Are you suggesting that the Arm processor in an Android device is cruddy compared to that in a Windows RT device? Did Microsoft drop test, dust test, child test etc the devices, or simply test the operation of the software on the devices? If you think the former, I think you are delusional.
    If I'm reading this right, it has got to be far and away the dumbest comment I've ever read read on the Internet and I've read millions.
    Pretty much the only way this comment would be correct if you were locked up in the Tower of London.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I don't know of one Android, or Apple, user that is dissatisfied with their device, whether it be hardware, software or device construction. Pretty much everything nowadays comes from the same few manufacturers, so the quality is going to be on a par. Are you suggesting that the Arm processor in an Android device is cruddy compared to that in a Windows RT device? Did Microsoft drop test, dust test, child test etc the devices, or simply test the operation of the software on the devices? If you think the former, I think you are delusional.
    If I'm reading this right, it has got to be far and away the dumbest comment I've ever read read on the Internet and I've read millions.
    Pretty much the only way this comment would be correct if you were locked up in the Tower of London.
    Millions? Let's take that at say 5,000,000. Let's say that it takes a minute to read and digest a comment, on average. That makes 5,000,000 minutes, which is the equivalent of 9.5 years of 24/7/365 non-stop reading of internet posts.

    Now let's be realistic here, Bill couldn't seriously have been on the internet for 9.5 years non-stop, so let's say that he's on the internet for just 8 hours a day non-stop. That means he's been reading comments for 28.5 years.

    Give that man a medal. Not only has he been on the internet for 28.5 years for 8 hours a day, he can remember every comment ever made in that time.

    Maybe Bill has been locked up in the Tower of London all of this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I don't know of one Android, or Apple, user that is dissatisfied with their device, whether it be hardware, software or device construction. Pretty much everything nowadays comes from the same few manufacturers, so the quality is going to be on a par. Are you suggesting that the Arm processor in an Android device is cruddy compared to that in a Windows RT device? Did Microsoft drop test, dust test, child test etc the devices, or simply test the operation of the software on the devices? If you think the former, I think you are delusional.
    If I'm reading this right, it has got to be far and away the dumbest comment I've ever read read on the Internet and I've read millions.
    Pretty much the only way this comment would be correct if you were locked up in the Tower of London.
    Millions? Let's take that at say 5,000,000. Let's say that it takes a minute to read and digest a comment, on average. That makes 5,000,000 minutes, which is the equivalent of 9.5 years of 24/7/365 non-stop reading of internet posts.

    Now let's be realistic here, Bill couldn't seriously have been on the internet for 9.5 years non-stop, so let's say that he's on the internet for just 8 hours a day non-stop. That means he's been reading comments for 28.5 years.

    Give that man a medal. Not only has he been on the internet for 28.5 years for 8 hours a day, he can remember every comment ever made in that time.

    Maybe Bill has been locked up in the Tower of London all of this time.
    It only took about 5 seconds of reading your comment, to know that everything in it is just absolute garbage, just something pulled out of your head to make it sound as if you know what you're talking about.

    There is nothing in there that even comes close to being factual, and how would you even know what Microsoft does as far as testing goes. I'd say they probably do a lot of testing if they do it the same as they do with software, but no, you know best.

    I think you need to take a break Ray, you're just making stuff up. Go and do some fishing and read up on the latest tech and then come back and give us some real facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I think you need to take a break Ray, you're just making stuff up. Go and do some fishing and read up on the latest tech and then come back and give us some real facts.
    I'm hitting nerves left, right and centre and the shrill cries are getting louder all the time. And you want me to take a break? Not a chance sunshine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I think you need to take a break Ray, you're just making stuff up. Go and do some fishing and read up on the latest tech and then come back and give us some real facts.
    I'm hitting nerves left, right and centre and the shrill cries are getting louder all the time. And you want me to take a break? Not a chance sunshine.
    Look Ray you're not hitting my nerves, maybe if you'd come up with something factual, but not some blanket statement you just made up about IOS and Android and also how they're built.

    I'm serious you're starting to blather, you've run out of steam, and now you think you've somehow won, now that's delusional. The only thing that gets my goat is fictional stuff and boring stuff.

    Why do you have to think that this is some kind of battle, there is no battle, just some windmills blowing in the wind.

    Go out to JB HiFi and have a look at the Surface, look at some of the Windows 8 Ultrabooks, you might even get to like some of this stuff.

    I was on a Forum yesterday a guy had the 128GB Surface, he'd had it for 3 days, he also owned an iPad 3 and Android tablet( no it wasn't me) he did a huge review on it. He was blown away by it, and he said the iPad and Android tablet didn't hold a candle to it. See Ray these are facts, this is what I want to hear, not, no one I know is dissatisfied with their IOS or Android Device, you might not even know anyone with these devices.
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