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  1. #61


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I've known Office my whole life and used it my whole life. I was asked by someone a while ago how to fix a format issue in OpenOffice, I was TOTALLY and COMPLETELY lost to the point where I needed a GPS. Yes, a very basic grasp of the inputting data is one thing, but actually interacting the with program itself becomes a whole different issue. I know how to do a Word document or a spreadsheet, but my knowledge of Office doesn't translate into a working knowledge of OpenOffice, and the same goes the other way around.
    Maybe it's an advantage then to spend some time in the alternative products. I just think that with the basics, and a short amount of time people will figure out the alternative products.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    It's strange that the enterprise is bending over backwards to support ios, I feel it's mostly because if a network and usage scenario can be set up where the vast majority of people that are using an ios device at home can then take that device with them to work, it's less hassle for an IT staff to deal with, which means lower costs in the long term. It's popular because that means the workers can do whatever they want on the device they use and like without being restricted by an anally uptight IT department. But then that leads to the issue of data security with sensitive information, which right now seems like android and Windows Phone seem more ideal than ios in that respect. As I see it, the iphone is the reverse of the Blackberry: a consumer device can't work properly in the enterprise space and an enterprise device can't succeed in the consumer space.
    You don't have to tell me how strange this is. I've been working in IT since 1997 and I'm amazed how we went from having to use Blackberrys because we can control them and not letting a person bring in any device from home and connecting to the network....to a world where we allow people to bring in their own devices instead of using corporate provided equipment.

    Right, but the RT device is a tablet, without a keyboard and 2x as expensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    For example, Office 365 is what Microsoft is pushing as it's the actual Office software, but on subscription basis. A few government agencies and I think a few companies have switched to using Office 365 and will be rolling it out later this year as they've found, like in the city of Chicago for example, a savings of I think 14 million dollars in the short term just for using Office 365.
    Yeah because historically MS office has been outrageously expensive. Look at the number of people who pirate MS office, it's a lot...because it's expensive. That's why I have experience using other software options because I don't pirate and I spend the money. Well, having 3+ computers at home means Office gets expensive. So, I use Google Docs, or Office Web Apps instead (I prefer to save hard drive space not having copies locally installed anymore).

    The Office365 concept is interesting. I've actually been considering trying it out for a year. For $100 for up to 5 PC's, it's not a bad deal. But I do have Office 2010 on my work laptop and I bring that home from work daily, so if I actually need office I can just do it there. So I will likely just skip Office 365.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Anyways, I'd rather rollout Windows RT in the educational setting as one, it has a good Office suite that isn't present with google docs. What if the google cloud was down for maintenance? What was once safely secured data that won't get lost now becomes data that can't even be retrieved due to no fault on that student. Which then ties back to a point I was going to make earlier, what if your data was saved on the cloud and it was down and a presentation or essay had to turned into a certain time? You can't use the excuse that the cloud was offline and that's that, that is YOUR personal responsibility to make sure your important data is backed up and saved on something else other than just one basket per se.
    Personally, I think RT is a dead product and it's not going to be around much longer.

    I think the likelihood of a student losing a file due to a cloud outage is less then the risk that they will lose the file themselves by getting a virus, malware, losing the laptop, etc. And like anything else, you gotta back up your stuff. I don't just keep 1 copy of my files at home, I make backups. The same should go for cloud storage, especially if you are a student, in school. Nothing is more important that your papers. You can easily backup any files that you store in the cloud to your local computer, a USB key, etc.
    I think it's a little too soon to decide the fate on Windows RT as it's a new Windows variant running on few devices, most of which aren't under 600 dollars. This will need to be changed if Microsoft is serious about Windows RT, it's inexcusable I find to have a 300 dollar x86 laptop with real decent specs, but no 3-400 dollar RT tablet. But again, you get more out of a Windows RT tablet than you do a chromebook, so there is a justification for a higher price than 250 dollars. Also, Windows RT runs on the ARM architecture, so it isn't and shouldn't be constrained to the tablet. There are motherboards out there that have I believe a SoC chip already on it that costs about 100 dollars, and can be plopped into a little nettop chassis, or theoretically take a large touch monitor and pop one of those motherboards in it, BAM! Windows RT AIO! You have a large touch screen, 23 inch, and advanced-simple functionality of Windows RT and not prone to malware.

    Microsoft is going to be pushing Office 365 going forward, as if you take a gander at their price sheet for the 2013 software out of subscription, it's pretty steep, it's pirated more than anything but is their hugest cash cow, so a hybrid subscription of local software along with cloud support is a good setup that will probably satisfy a huge demographic of Office users. One hundred dollars for 5 PCs for like a year and a grace period? That's 20 dollars per PC per year, and being able to easily upgrade to the latest Office version without issue. That's such a good deal, it's theft!

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  2. #62


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    My laptop is, for all practical purposes, "instant boot" when it's in sleep mode. That's really what any of the devices are doing, iPad, iPhone and I suspect Chromebook ... they're not cold booting instantly, they're coming back from a sleep mode.
    My Chromebook from Off to On is about 7 seconds. Thats more or less an instant boot to me. Coming out of sleep is around 2-3 seconds on the Chromebook.

    I'm just a fan of this chromebook. For $249 it is a solid device. It meets my internet needs dramatically better than a tablet. It's not touchscreen and I like that. And it has a full keyboard, so I can respond to these posts at 60+ WPM.
    Ho there
    @pparks1 you have it nailed in one -- and I defy anybody using a Touch screen to succeed in typing at anything like 60+ WPM - especially using proper English (I.e not "Text-Ese").

    249 USD is a great buy if this is what you need to do -- and from what I can see beats a tablet hands down for the purpose intended.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I think I was able to hit around 30-35 WPM on an 11.6 touchscreen, the Lenovo Yoga, in tablet mode. Granted, I wasn't used to it as I was standing and the PC was flat on the shelf at desk height, so I could possibly hit maybe 40 WPM, maybe more if I get used to it better. Honestly, that surprised me considering I've never had a good touch type experience, maybe except on Windows Phone, but not on tablets; not on the ipad nor android. I give praise to the touch keyboard on Windows 8, it's quite well done!

    And yes, I was typing in proper English like I am right now. I typed up like a whole page or so of text with it. A bit finicky to correct errors though.
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  3. #63


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    My Chromebook from Off to On is about 7 seconds. Thats more or less an instant boot to me. Coming out of sleep is around 2-3 seconds on the Chromebook.

    I'm just a fan of this chromebook. For $249 it is a solid device. It meets my internet needs dramatically better than a tablet. It's not touchscreen and I like that. And it has a full keyboard, so I can respond to these posts at 60+ WPM.
    Ho there
    @pparks1 you have it nailed in one -- and I defy anybody using a Touch screen to succeed in typing at anything like 60+ WPM - especially using proper English (I.e not "Text-Ese").

    249 USD is a great buy if this is what you need to do -- and from what I can see beats a tablet hands down for the purpose intended.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I think I was able to hit around 30-35 WPM on an 11.6 touchscreen, the Lenovo Yoga, in tablet mode. Granted, I wasn't used to it as I was standing and the PC was flat on the shelf at desk height, so I could possibly hit maybe 40 WPM, maybe more if I get used to it better. Honestly, that surprised me considering I've never had a good touch type experience, maybe except on Windows Phone, but not on tablets; not on the ipad nor android. I give praise to the touch keyboard on Windows 8, it's quite well done!

    And yes, I was typing in proper English like I am right now. I typed up like a whole page or so of text with it. A bit finicky to correct errors though.
    I've yet to find a touchscreen I actually enjoy typing on. This response is coming on my galaxy s3 with Swype, and compared to a real keyboard, I'm so slow and gong back to correct mistakes is a real PITA. Congrats to those of you who seem to be compatible with touchscreens, that list doesn't include me.
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  4. #64


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    So we have the tech media that bash Surface RT because you can't install desktop apps, can only install Store apps, not enough apps and not enough value for the money. Yet they praise these Chromebooks that you can't install desktop apps, my understanding is they don't run Google Store apps so they don't have enough apps but they are worth the money? Looking online the price range of these Chromebooks are $200 - $400 and that gets you some hardware that runs a browser. All my devices have a browser, I have a browser on my Surface, on my phone, on my Xbox, my desktop, my ultrabook...heck TV's even come with browsers. There isn't anything that a Chromebook can do that I can't do with my Surface, but I can do more with my Surface than these things can.
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  5. #65


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Ho there
    @pparks1 you have it nailed in one -- and I defy anybody using a Touch screen to succeed in typing at anything like 60+ WPM - especially using proper English (I.e not "Text-Ese").

    249 USD is a great buy if this is what you need to do -- and from what I can see beats a tablet hands down for the purpose intended.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I think I was able to hit around 30-35 WPM on an 11.6 touchscreen, the Lenovo Yoga, in tablet mode. Granted, I wasn't used to it as I was standing and the PC was flat on the shelf at desk height, so I could possibly hit maybe 40 WPM, maybe more if I get used to it better. Honestly, that surprised me considering I've never had a good touch type experience, maybe except on Windows Phone, but not on tablets; not on the ipad nor android. I give praise to the touch keyboard on Windows 8, it's quite well done!

    And yes, I was typing in proper English like I am right now. I typed up like a whole page or so of text with it. A bit finicky to correct errors though.
    I've yet to find a touchscreen I actually enjoy typing on. This response is coming on my galaxy s3 with Swype, and compared to a real keyboard, I'm so slow and gong back to correct mistakes is a real PITA. Congrats to those of you who seem to be compatible with touchscreens, that list doesn't include me.
    I've never really liked using Swype, I always think I made 15 mistakes. Also, I don't really understand why people text Blackberry, portrait style. It's such a waste of a larger screen to do that. I prefer to text in landscape style, as I have more space to move around with my thumbs. With portrait, I basically have to rely on Windows Phone's predictive text feature as I SUCK with that. Right now, I'm practicing trying to tap text on my Windows Phone without having to look more directly at the keyboard, but more at the text I'm tapping out, much like how I'm doing right now with my physical keyboard and how typing is truly taught.

    I don't know how fast I tap type though on it.... I should find that out.

    Anyways, I have to rant here. Oh my crap! We live in an age where literally a HUGE demographic of people are with smartphones equipped with a full 26 letter keyboard with another touch keyboard dedicated for numbers and symbols, yet, the idiotic bingo based language of txtese still exists! It's so freaking infuriating when I get a text that is relatively typed correctly and there's an idiotic abbreviation of because in txtese as "b/c" or "cuz" or just no grammatical structure whatsoever! I have to point blame to the fact that many people text in portrait mode like how it once was done on those flip phones where you had to cycle through like, nine characters before you got somewhere. Back then, txtese was needed because it GENUINELY took a while to do so. Nowadays, it just makes you look and sound and be read like an idiot, straight up! UGH!!
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  6. #66


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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    So we have the tech media that bash Surface RT because you can't install desktop apps, can only install Store apps, not enough apps and not enough value for the money. Yet they praise these Chromebooks that you can't install desktop apps, my understanding is they don't run Google Store apps so they don't have enough apps but they are worth the money? Looking online the price range of these Chromebooks are $200 - $400 and that gets you some hardware that runs a browser. All my devices have a browser, I have a browser on my Surface, on my phone, on my Xbox, my desktop, my ultrabook...heck TV's even come with browsers. There isn't anything that a Chromebook can do that I can't do with my Surface, but I can do more with my Surface than these things can.
    I haven't heard any review bashing RT because you can't run Office programs, it does come with a truncated version of the Office suite designed for RT afterall. But what can a Chromebook do? A fair bit apparently (click through the tabs): Features of Chromebooks.

    Even Microsoft has indicated that they may not develop anymore for the traditional desktop. One day, all that may be available are devices emulating the Chromebook.
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  7. #67


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Anyways, I have to rant here. Oh my crap! We live in an age where literally a HUGE demographic of people are with smartphones equipped with a full 26 letter keyboard with another touch keyboard dedicated for numbers and symbols, yet, the idiotic bingo based language of txtese still exists!
    Isn't that because SMS is limited to 160 characters?
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  8. #68


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    So we have the tech media that bash Surface RT because you can't install desktop apps, can only install Store apps, not enough apps and not enough value for the money. Yet they praise these Chromebooks that you can't install desktop apps, my understanding is they don't run Google Store apps so they don't have enough apps but they are worth the money? Looking online the price range of these Chromebooks are $200 - $400 and that gets you some hardware that runs a browser. All my devices have a browser, I have a browser on my Surface, on my phone, on my Xbox, my desktop, my ultrabook...heck TV's even come with browsers. There isn't anything that a Chromebook can do that I can't do with my Surface, but I can do more with my Surface than these things can.
    I haven't heard any review bashing RT because you can't run Office programs, it does come with a truncated version of the Office suite designed for RT afterall. But what can a Chromebook do? A fair bit apparently (click through the tabs): Features of Chromebooks.

    Even Microsoft has indicated that they may not develop anymore for the traditional desktop. One day, all that may be available are devices emulating the Chromebook.
    Honestly, chrome OS sounds more like Windows RT Lite than anything. It has a few features and benefits that Windows RT has, except the vast majority of anything is done through some online service like Pandora or YouTube.

    It's nice that you can wireless sync to an android device, but you can you connect a Windows Phone to it? Can you connect a digital camera to it? Can you print? I think it does print. Can you tweak the OS in anyway?

    By the way, I think it was pparks that said it earlier that the chromebook boots up in seconds, resumes from sleep in a few. A Windows RT device resumes from sleep in that same time, boot time is a bit longer. On a Windows 8 PC though, it's pretty much the same. RT has connected standby, and when Intel and AMD get their poop in a group and deliver connected standby ready chips, they will get that as well. Of course, this is on SSD based storage for the boot times and such. But I've seen somewhat similar times even on a hard drive with Windows 8.... So....
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  9. #69


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Anyways, I have to rant here. Oh my crap! We live in an age where literally a HUGE demographic of people are with smartphones equipped with a full 26 letter keyboard with another touch keyboard dedicated for numbers and symbols, yet, the idiotic bingo based language of txtese still exists!
    Isn't that because SMS is limited to 160 characters?
    Theoretically, but at this point in time, SMS messages basically just get sent in 160 character chunks. They don't actually get cut off anymore like they used to. The most that happens is if for example, you sent a giant text message; it would do somethi

    ng like this. You'll get the second chunk of the message right after the first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Theoretically, but at this point in time, SMS messages basically just get sent in 160 character chunks. They don't actually get cut off anymore like they used to. The most that happens is if for example, you sent a giant text message; it would do somethi

    ng like this. You'll get the second chunk of the message right after the first.
    And then you get charged for two SMS messages.
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