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  1. #51


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Well that's NEVER going to happen as far as I can see and seeing as how Microsoft already owns 92% of the PC world, it makes sense to me at least, that to keep some kind of compatibility and interoperability between devices MS has to be the one to come out on top.
    But when you have 1 and only 1 company running the show, as consumers you don't get much choice and you are held over a barrel. I want iOS, and Chrome, and Linux to survive and thrive, because it's the only way that we get MS products to improve as well. That's why I disagreed in principal on that statement because if we only had 1 OS...I fear that we would lose a lot.

    Imagine where we would be right now if Apple had not released the iPhone. The entire world had to scramble because their device at the time was "revolutionary". We might still have flip phones and Blackberry's.

    And probably the most overlooked Apple product....the iTunes store. It's not the iPod that is the real winner, or the iPhone or the Ipad...it's the iTunes store ecosystem. So successful, that Microsoft has become intent on trying to mimic it with the Microsoft Store.

    We need innovation and competition. We need products like iPad's, and Chromebooks and Firefox , and Google Docs, Open Office and AMD to succeed and not hold just a tiny fraction of the market but be a formidable contender that you really have to fear and combat against. This is the only way Windows will continue to evolve and grow.

    Nobody truly knows what the future is going to hold, but I would be a lot more comfortable if Microsoft wasn't the 92%-100% visionary holders in that stake, but rather other companies were also competing and setting directions which might be different than the ideas coming out of Redmond, WA.
    That's why I said I don't want IOS and Android or Cromebook to die, we need innovation and competition. But at the same time we really do need some kind of familiarity between devices, the world is becoming too fragmented.

    With Microsoft we already have a familiar system in place that can do everything all that needs to be done is getting it to work properly across all devices.

    I still see a need for less powerfull devices as well and that's where Chromebook, IOS, Android and Windows RT can come in. I'm all for choice, don't judge me by my name I have quite a collection of tablets and phones etc.

    Actually the one thing that frightens me most in the tech world is Apple, an even more powerful Apple would spell disaster for much of the tech world as we know it, another company that is starting to worry me a bit is Samsung.

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    Hi there
    While I don't like Blackberry's I LIKE FLIP PHONES - what's wrong with them - especially if I want a small phone for JUST MAKING / RECEIVING calls.

    Choose the correct tool for the job. - Try and use a standard smartphone with a howling gale around you in the freezing cold where you've got quite thick gloves on -- a flip phone works great in these conditions. Touch is hopeless in very cold areas -- you still need old fashioned keys. Obviously you've never visited places like central Iceland or similar. !!!!

    Actually the real problem with Blackberry's wasn't so much the technology but the "Life style" it represented. Every time I saw someone using a Blackberry it said to me --20 / 21st century "Wage Slave" being tethered to some management bod and expected to be on hand like a Slave in the time of Julius Caesar (years approx. 60 B.C). I really used to Pity those poor devils and to this day I don't even want to SEE a blackberry much less be SEEN using one. They have a real image problem.

    Nothing wrong with competing OS'es -- I started using THIS one ( IBM MVS/370 on a main frame) -- but we've moved on.

    Chromebook is fine for what it needs to do - but would you want to try and get a large CAD system or photoshop running on these.

    Enc screenshot of MVS /370 emulating (via Hercules emulator) a huge old mainframe running on a small ACER V105 laptop including two master consoles and a TSO terminal (top right) - and all in Black and white too-- although you can run it in 6 colours.!! -- even the i3 processor was much more powerful than the old mainframe which was watercooled and occupied a large Gym sized room. So good though the OS was and is still used a s a model of excellent OS design thank goodness we have other competitors -- monopoly in whatever market is no good - however good the product the "monopoly owner" makes.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #53


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    My guess is that of the 800 members in my computer club, 700 do not do any 'applications'. They use email, skype and store a few pictures. Sometimes they look up something on the web. But their main use is to stay in touch with their children and grandchildren.

    For those people, Chromebook is probably an excellent alternative. It is cheap, simple and does those kinds of jobs. I think it will become more popular. People just have to discover it.
    What on earth do they need a Chromebook for they can use an $80 Android tablet.
    Well, for me...nearly instant boot. Full keyboard, USB 3 ports, HDMI output, very thin, 11.3 screen, memory card support. I thought for 249 it was a decent product. Once I used it, it became my most used web surfing device at home.
    My laptop is, for all practical purposes, "instant boot" when it's in sleep mode. That's really what any of the devices are doing, iPad, iPhone and I suspect Chromebook ... they're not cold booting instantly, they're coming back from a sleep mode.

    When I close the lid of my 17R it goes immediately into sleep mode. Next morning I open the lid and I'm at login screen in about a second. How much more "instant" would anybody want, eh?

    -Max
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Oh, so now your here to save Microsoft, eh? Please get down from that cross, for we need the wood.

    MS's failings according to whom? You, Ray? "The user interface is crap as far as desktops and, to a lesser, degree tablets is concerned"? The UI according to your dislike, right? Weren't you the one that stated "It's fine for a tablet or phone", but now to a lesser degree a tablet? Isn't that backing out of your past statements to justify the ends to your own means here?

    No fear here whatsoever, Ray. In fact quite the opposite, for we are supporting MS with their ingenious creation of 8 and what they are trying to accomplish along with the Surfaces and Windows Phone 8, the trifecta of devices so as to become familiar no matter what device is used and all sync with personal data. No "glaring(ly) obvious problem" here at all, for forum polls show that a larger percentage of members have upgraded and more join over from 7F to do so. Percentages prove the point.

    "Many a time they'll come back later and admit that I was correct"?! I'll leave that statement alone, for I think it speaks for itself.
    Talk about melodrama! Nothing worse than those who will not see. You must have some sort of filter on your browser that removes everyone else's comments/polls, that reflect/support what I've said. I've said it's fine for a phone and, for some tasks (ie lesser degree), for a tablet. For a tablet, it can be a right pain when using one as a desktop replacement, always having to go to a full screen menu to open another program. No inconsistency whatsoever in my argument.

    I quite understand that the Microsoft acolytes are in full swing hugging each other and singing Kumbaya, whenever anyone dares to question their beliefs. However, upgrading to Windows 8 and subsequently installing a third party start menu and/or getting rid of the apps/start menu completely, as so many do, pretty much supports what I've been saying. That's in the percentages as well.

    You keep my last statement in mind, which I'm sure that you will, as I'm now pretty much embedded in your head (and that seems to apply to a few others as well).
    Oh oh ... FIGHT!

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  5. #55


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    Hi there
    I think the Brits have an excellent expression which just about says anything we need to on this thread.

    "horses for Courses".

    I can't remember who posted "We'd still be using fliphones" if we had no innovation -- well as far as fliphones go they are excellent in places where touch is totally impracticable and you really need to press a physical key - such as if you are in a cold freezing spot with a howling gale blowing and you are wearing thick gloves.

    Also my elderly folks don't want or need these modern smart phones -- a basic phone with just simple key strokes on a physical keys and a LOUD ring is all they need or want. -- They are quite able to use the Internet etc on a computer if they want.

    Chromebooks are just fine for the purpose intended -- and whether you like Android or not it has at least raised the whole bar of what smartphones should deliver. The early W7 phones were TERRIBLE. The W8 ones are EXCELLENT - but it needed competition whether from Google, "The Fruit company" or elsewhere.

    If one doesn't like a device - don't use it -- unless it's utterly useless and the general consensus is that it's not fit for purpose why do a load of people try and rubbish perfectly good capable devices.

    I would have had a chromebook myself but I already had other devices which could do that jobe easily so I didn't need one - but if the sort of things you need to do are what the chomebook delivers - then it's 250 USD very well spent.

    As I said - the Brits have it correct "Horses for Courses".

    anyway on this thread for me : 'Nuf said.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #56


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    My laptop is, for all practical purposes, "instant boot" when it's in sleep mode. That's really what any of the devices are doing, iPad, iPhone and I suspect Chromebook ... they're not cold booting instantly, they're coming back from a sleep mode.
    My Chromebook from Off to On is about 7 seconds. Thats more or less an instant boot to me. Coming out of sleep is around 2-3 seconds on the Chromebook.

    I'm just a fan of this chromebook. For $249 it is a solid device. It meets my internet needs dramatically better than a tablet. It's not touchscreen and I like that. And it has a full keyboard, so I can respond to these posts at 60+ WPM.
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  7. #57


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    My laptop is, for all practical purposes, "instant boot" when it's in sleep mode. That's really what any of the devices are doing, iPad, iPhone and I suspect Chromebook ... they're not cold booting instantly, they're coming back from a sleep mode.
    My Chromebook from Off to On is about 7 seconds. Thats more or less an instant boot to me. Coming out of sleep is around 2-3 seconds on the Chromebook.

    I'm just a fan of this chromebook. For $249 it is a solid device. It meets my internet needs dramatically better than a tablet. It's not touchscreen and I like that. And it has a full keyboard, so I can respond to these posts at 60+ WPM.
    Ho there
    @pparks1 you have it nailed in one -- and I defy anybody using a Touch screen to succeed in typing at anything like 60+ WPM - especially using proper English (I.e not "Text-Ese").

    249 USD is a great buy if this is what you need to do -- and from what I can see beats a tablet hands down for the purpose intended.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #58


    Yeah, I expected to not really like this Chromebook, but gave it a fair shake when it came in.

    At home, I almost exclusively use Facebook, 7 and 8 forums, a few other forums, my gmail, amazon cloud player, and surf the web. For these purposes, this device works out great. I work with computers 40-60 hours a week at work, and when I come home, I don't really do much of substance on the computer any more these days.

    I've heard the complaints..."oh well tell me how good that Chromebook works when your internet is out". Well, since I use it for gmail, facebook, forums, web surfing and such...none of those tasks work well at all when the Internet is down either. So, it's a moot point.

    From what I gather, I'm the only person on this forum who has personal possession of a Chromebook. And it's what I am using for this post right here.


    The other brilliant thing on the chromebook is because it stores nothing really, you can reset it back to factory in seconds and just log back in with your google account and everything is synced back. No need to back anything up. No real concerns if the device is lost or stolen.
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  9. #59


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Oh, so now your here to save Microsoft, eh? Please get down from that cross, for we need the wood.

    MS's failings according to whom? You, Ray? "The user interface is crap as far as desktops and, to a lesser, degree tablets is concerned"? The UI according to your dislike, right? Weren't you the one that stated "It's fine for a tablet or phone", but now to a lesser degree a tablet? Isn't that backing out of your past statements to justify the ends to your own means here?

    No fear here whatsoever, Ray. In fact quite the opposite, for we are supporting MS with their ingenious creation of 8 and what they are trying to accomplish along with the Surfaces and Windows Phone 8, the trifecta of devices so as to become familiar no matter what device is used and all sync with personal data. No "glaring(ly) obvious problem" here at all, for forum polls show that a larger percentage of members have upgraded and more join over from 7F to do so. Percentages prove the point.

    "Many a time they'll come back later and admit that I was correct"?! I'll leave that statement alone, for I think it speaks for itself.
    Talk about melodrama! Nothing worse than those who will not see. You must have some sort of filter on your browser that removes everyone else's comments/polls, that reflect/support what I've said. I've said it's fine for a phone and, for some tasks (ie lesser degree), for a tablet. For a tablet, it can be a right pain when using one as a desktop replacement, always having to go to a full screen menu to open another program. No inconsistency whatsoever in my argument.

    I quite understand that the Microsoft acolytes are in full swing hugging each other and singing Kumbaya, whenever anyone dares to question their beliefs. However, upgrading to Windows 8 and subsequently installing a third party start menu and/or getting rid of the apps/start menu completely, as so many do, pretty much supports what I've been saying. That's in the percentages as well.

    You keep my last statement in mind, which I'm sure that you will, as I'm now pretty much embedded in your head (and that seems to apply to a few others as well).
    Oh oh ... FIGHT!

    Lol! No, just a passionate "tech lovers" spat. It seems to me the older passionate members gather to certain threads to "have it out". I look forward to them. Opinions and beliefs vary. Individual personalities gleam. This is what freedom is all about to me. I learn a lot from this kind of stuff.
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    I too love these threads. It's just technology, I'm not really that bothered by anything we discuss.
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