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    There are many business versions of 365, some of which just host shared email and such. For these you would need your own copy of outlook/office.

    For the home use one, office applications come with the subscription and you don't need to already own office.

    There is a free trial, give it a shot on a vm that had nothing installed and see what you get.

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    [QUOTE=Coke Robot;188672]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    In Australia, we're ripped off constantly.
    Until you pay about 100 dollars US monthly for calling, texting, and internet use (a mere 3-4 gigs) that costs almost more than double for what you pay for monthly home internet service where it's basically an internet data buffet, oh wow....

    This is what got me fed up recently with contracts. I ended up cutting and running from att as paying 85 dollars a month for phone service I don't use heavily, and data usage I don't use heavily (the most I've ever used was about two out of three gigs, that was one time, I usually do about 1.5 gigs) and pay more for that than I do, literally than a two tanks of gas or a tank of gas and my home internet bill. So I'm doing prepaid for now on, I'll be saving about 600 dollars every two years versus contracts.

    Those bags.
    Hi there
    unless you really NEED it contracts are a waste of time and money -- "pay as you go" is MUCH MUCH better -- especially in places that have almost unlimited public Wifi services -- I mean do people really need to download mega amounts of data using a PHONE these days - and data amounts on offer are often trivially small -- 150 - 250 MB a month -- barely enough for a 20 min HD video !!.

    Years ago there was some sense to it -- particularly if you connected your computer to a phone and used the phone as a "modem" to connect to the internet.

    With services like SKYPE available too -- the whole idea of the old "Contract" system is now a failing (IMO) business model. Even those that say you can get a new phone subsidized by the carrier if you are on a contract doesn't ring true at the moment.

    Looking around in the UK for example -- Vodafone 30 GBP a month + 30 GBP one payment for Galaxy IIIs ( they often throw in gazillions of texts etc -- I rarely if ever text anyway so that would be a waste) so in 2 years you've paid 750 GBP.

    Price of phone if bought unlocked -- around 420 GBP. (You can probably source these things cheaper -- this was the price on offer at a "bog standard" town centre Car phone warehouse chain store).

    You don't need to be a magician to do the sums here and see the difference.

    There's a huge number of places where an accessible Wi-Fi service is available -- free in most cases -- at Work, Bars, railway stations etc, and there are cheap public Wi-Fi subscriptions available too.

    The only time a contract makes sense is if you do a HUGE amount of phoning
    -- but even here perhaps

    a) you should look and re-examine your lifestyle to see why you spend so much time on the phone,
    b) see if you can use an alternative SKYPE based type service
    c) if you are in places where there's no readily available Wi-Fi service ok that's a passable excuse.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Why are the quotes being mixed up?
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    unless you really NEED it contracts are a waste of time and money -- "pay as you go" is MUCH MUCH better -- especially in places that have almost unlimited public Wifi services -- I mean do people really need to download mega amounts of data using a PHONE these days - and data amounts on offer are often trivially small -- 150 - 250 MB a month -- barely enough for a 20 min HD video !!
    I'm not sure all contracts are a waste of money, have a look at mine.

    New HTC ONEX
    Set of Dr Dre headphones
    $600 calls and text per month
    2.5GB Data per month
    $49 per month, no other payments

    With the reasonable amount of data I've got, I use the phone as a wireless hotspot for my iPad or Netbooks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    unless you really NEED it contracts are a waste of time and money -- "pay as you go" is MUCH MUCH better -- especially in places that have almost unlimited public Wifi services -- I mean do people really need to download mega amounts of data using a PHONE these days - and data amounts on offer are often trivially small -- 150 - 250 MB a month -- barely enough for a 20 min HD video !!
    I'm not sure all contracts are a waste of money, have a look at mine.

    New HTC ONEX
    Set of Dr Dre headphones
    $600 calls and text per month
    2.5GB Data per month
    $49 per month, no other payments

    With the reasonable amount of data I've got, I use the phone as a wireless hotspot for my iPad or Netbooks.
    Hi there
    that's still 1200 USD over 2 years, 2.5GB data doesn't even get you a decent HD movie - VOD from satellite / Internet providers such as Netflix.

    That phone phone costs virtually nothing these days.

    Like all these calculations it depends on what you actually do -- in your case it might be worth while keeping a contract -- but there are literally 100,000's out there for whom a contract makes absolutely no sense. - These days there are so many different methods of paying for mobile communications and the old "Contract base model" in a lot of cases doesn't make sense anymore.

    I've usually found whatever it is paying per month is always more expensive in the long run --OK sometimes you have to for example Utility bills or mortgage payments --most people can't usually afford to buy a property for straight Cash !!! but a subscription model is usually not good value for the INDIVIDUAL customer (Businesses are a different case).

    I've found using my own satellite dish and pay as you go for mobiles are far better than subscribing to a Cable service and a mobile provider.

    I do have to pay Internet charges but I have arranged with the provider to get a 15% discount if I pay an annual fee up front rather than mess around with monthly payments and am seeing if I can come to a similar arrangement with Utility companies --less paperwork for them -- no defaults on bills / debt collection agency expenses etc etc.

    Anyway back to the topic - Chromebooks are just fine for what they have to do and can do surprisingly more than one would think.

    The only drawback is the fact it's basically all Browser based (even though you don't have to be online all the time).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Problem with pay as you go is that most people cheapskate with those things, I know people that hardly ever make a call on their smartphone or use the Internet, what's the use of having a smartphone.

    As far as Chromebooks go, I'll sit them out for a couple of years, they look a bit underpowered at this stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Problem with pay as you go is that most people cheapskate with those things, I know people that hardly ever make a call on their smartphone or use the Internet, what's the use of having a smartphone.

    As far as Chromebooks go, I'll sit them out for a couple of years, they look a bit underpowered at this stage.
    Honestly, I think this is more applicable in American than anything. If you take your average American consumer and show them two phones, one is like 100 dollars with a new contract and the other is 600 without contract, more likely than not they'd choose the contracted phone. This has been studied and been suggested that companies like Walmart that are introducing a new prepaid smartphone plan be aware of. The long term two year cost is what is lost on people.

    See, my plan from T-Mobile that I'll be going on soon will cost me 30 dollars monthly, for unlimited calling, text, and five gigs of unthrottled data. WAY more than I actually need, but it's the lowest tiered price. In two years, that plan will cost 720 dollars, meaning I could literally buy two black Nokia Lumia 920s as they're about 600 a piece off contract. Or, I can buy a phone that costs 1,100 dollars or a bit more. That's because if I bought the contracted phone and pay the preposterous 80+ dollar monthly bill (on an individual account), in two years I end up paying about 2,100 dollars more or less. If I were to had stay on att, I would have had to pay like a 180 dollar early upgrade fee, and then 550 for the Nokia Lumia 920. WAY too many financial bank notes to spend on!
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    Hi there
    @coke robot

    I don't think the USA has a monopoly of stupid consumers -- most people ANYWHERE seem totally incapable these days of doing basic Arithmetic.

    I've been in the UK recently and I have to admit I'm TOTALLY APALLED when I see endless TV commercials for so called "Pay day loan" companies offering "Short term Credit" with rates as high as 4,500 % yes --- No typo not a continental 4 1/2 % but 4 1/2 THOUSAND percent and these companies are 100% legal !!!!!. Do people have any idea how much that is -- and these companies have pernicious commercials such as "sweet old grandma's" saying it's easy --you decide how much you want --use our "sliders" and we tell you how much to pay back and the money is in your account in 15 mins.

    Come back "The Mafia" -- All is forgiven. !!!!!

    At least in the USA these EVIL companies preying off the desperate were banned or at least had their interest rates capped.

    (Mind you Banks in the UK charge even higher -- up to 25,000 per cent --Yes no error-- for "Unauthorized Overdrafts" like 100GBP a day if you are 0.37p overdrawn due to THEIR delay in clearing cheques / international transfers--- but at least here it's basically the account holders fault).

    (Please don't start me again on Banks -- they also nearly made our whole country bankrupt too -- and we are still having to pay huge amounts back to UK and NL).

    Beware though of any subscription model -- I see some advocate the use of Office 365 for individuals -- It's far cheaper to "run with Student and teacher edition" of Office 2010 or 2007 -- neither of these will be obsolete any time soon.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Beware though of any subscription model -- I see some advocate the use of Office 365 for individuals -- It's far cheaper to "run with Student and teacher edition" of Office 2010 or 2007 -- neither of these will be obsolete any time soon.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Office 365 is not a bad deal. If people need more than word, excel and powerpoint (home and student edition) and they have more than 2 computers than the subscription model isn't that bad of a deal. Consider a household with 4 computers (a desktop and laptop for the parents and 2 high school kids). 4 copies of Office 2013 Home and Student would be $139.99 x 4 or $560.00. That would pay for 5 years worth of Office365, keep you on the latest version, etc. ANd if you needed Outlook or Publisher or Access....than Office would cost you far more than $139.99 each
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