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MS alum: Surface is doomed, Win8 is an "assault weapon"

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidvkimball View Post
    I've been wondering this myself: How does the idea that Surface is an "assault weapon" relate to Zune's story? Microsoft's Zune HD was an outstanding piece of hardware, and unfortunately, it never made it to popularity. I don't know what to blame: Microsoft's marketing team? The product itself for just not provided what people wanted at the time (apps)?
    I'd say one reason Zune failed is that it was only for the US market. I know a lot of people wanted to get one here in Oz, but it wasn't going to happen. Look at what's happening with Surface Pro, US/Canada only for now and who knows when the rest of the world will get it. That is not great marketing, let alone the fact that Surface Pro should have come out before RT anyway.

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    That doesn't mean though that I need to be on the Internet to install programs etc.
    I don't think I want to develop in that way at all - sounds a horrible future.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    If M$ gets there way you will the APPS store is that way and now M$ office (no media just a key).
    No big deal... Ubuntu also has a "store" BUT I can't do nothing offline when it comes to installing as well.
    Windows was ideal for this and had an upper hand above Ubuntu when it comes to offline users.

    When MS will fully transform like this, they will loose me as a user.

    Having to become 100% dependent on internet just like it's possible with cigarettes and alcohol it's not my way of living.
    And the Solaria thing mentioned above just creeps me out... although I like Isaac Asimov stories.

    Office 2010 is fine, In the far future Open or LibreOffice will probably be used in this scenario.

    But they can continue this way, no problem, because just a single user will be lost: me, possibly a few others.

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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  3. #23


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    Windows 8, Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    That doesn't mean though that I need to be on the Internet to install programs etc.
    I don't think I want to develop in that way at all - sounds a horrible future.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    If M$ gets there way you will the APPS store is that way and now M$ office (no media just a key).
    No big deal... Ubuntu also has a "store" BUT I can't do nothing offline when it comes to installing as well.
    Windows was ideal for this and had an upper hand above Ubuntu when it comes to offline users.

    When MS will fully transform like this, they will loose me as a user.

    Having to become 100% dependent on internet just like it's possible with cigarettes and alcohol it's not my way of living.
    And the Solaria thing mentioned above just creeps me out... although I like Isaac Asimov stories.

    Office 2010 is fine, In the far future Open or LibreOffice will probably be used in this scenario.

    But they can continue this way, no problem, because just a single user will be lost: me, possibly a few others.

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
    You know they're all eventually going to head that way... If you said Ubuntu does it, and when MS does it and you leave, where will go you? Apple? They do it, too... They've done it longer than MS has, but then again their users don't really care about what some would consider a formality.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by JLyman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post

    If M$ gets there way you will the APPS store is that way and now M$ office (no media just a key).
    No big deal... Ubuntu also has a "store" BUT I can't do nothing offline when it comes to installing as well.
    Windows was ideal for this and had an upper hand above Ubuntu when it comes to offline users.

    When MS will fully transform like this, they will loose me as a user.

    Having to become 100% dependent on internet just like it's possible with cigarettes and alcohol it's not my way of living.
    And the Solaria thing mentioned above just creeps me out... although I like Isaac Asimov stories.

    Office 2010 is fine, In the far future Open or LibreOffice will probably be used in this scenario.

    But they can continue this way, no problem, because just a single user will be lost: me, possibly a few others.

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
    You know they're all eventually going to head that way... If you said Ubuntu does it, and when MS does it and you leave, where will go you? Apple? They do it, too... They've done it longer than MS has, but then again their users don't really care about what some would consider a formality.
    Good question... where I go will be my own adventure.
    You don't have to use what others use... for home usage at least (for work it's another story).

    Even if the big part of what you run is online based, the OS will be "offline" on your physical disk installed.
    If they will (one day) attempt to switch to cloud OS as the main product (see Windows Azure as inspiration) that is something totally different than what we mostly use today.

    There will always be alternatives in the minority even if the online plague will get the majority.
    I can survive between both worlds and what is trendy will not affect me that much. It's just that I prefer offline since my online connection is not that fast and sometimes it can fail.

    If you look at Windows, they began offline with CD installers. Now they try a new approach that has to be better (online) at least for the big consumer base.

    Ubuntu on the other hand began online but then, some people saw the disadvantage: internet is not 100% omnipresent and something inspired form the classical Windows was born: SuperOS based on Ubuntu has offline installers, at least for drivers (on Windows it's since always possible to install drivers offline).

    All technology in informatics has a purpose, if something will win a usage battle and gains users and reputation, that will make it more popular. You use what you like (you mostly understand how that works) and if you don't agree with some approaches just don't use them, as long as you can afford to do that.
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    That doesn't mean though that I need to be on the Internet to install programs etc.
    I don't think I want to develop in that way at all - sounds a horrible future.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    If M$ gets there way you will the APPS store is that way and now M$ office (no media just a key).
    No big deal... Ubuntu also has a "store" BUT I can't do nothing offline when it comes to installing as well.
    Windows was ideal for this and had an upper hand above Ubuntu when it comes to offline users.

    When MS will fully transform like this, they will loose me as a user.

    Having to become 100% dependent on internet just like it's possible with cigarettes and alcohol it's not my way of living.
    And the Solaria thing mentioned above just creeps me out... although I like Isaac Asimov stories.

    Office 2010 is fine, In the far future Open or LibreOffice will probably be used in this scenario.

    But they can continue this way, no problem, because just a single user will be lost: me, possibly a few others.

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

    If computing does go that way, I'll cheerfully destroy mine, and go buy books, or go back to a non-internet XP-based world. If I can't compute the way *I* choose to, well then, there isn't much point continuing, is there? I *won't* use cloud-based programs like Office 327 or whatever, and would *never* even consider a cloud-based OS. Yes, you read that correctly, *NEVER*.
    Wenda.
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  6. #26


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    Way to go Wenda. . .
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post

    If M$ gets there way you will the APPS store is that way and now M$ office (no media just a key).
    No big deal... Ubuntu also has a "store" BUT I can't do nothing offline when it comes to installing as well.
    Windows was ideal for this and had an upper hand above Ubuntu when it comes to offline users.

    When MS will fully transform like this, they will loose me as a user.

    Having to become 100% dependent on internet just like it's possible with cigarettes and alcohol it's not my way of living.
    And the Solaria thing mentioned above just creeps me out... although I like Isaac Asimov stories.

    Office 2010 is fine, In the far future Open or LibreOffice will probably be used in this scenario.

    But they can continue this way, no problem, because just a single user will be lost: me, possibly a few others.

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

    If computing does go that way, I'll cheerfully destroy mine, and go buy books, or go back to a non-internet XP-based world. If I can't compute the way *I* choose to, well then, there isn't much point continuing, is there? I *won't* use cloud-based programs like Office 327 or whatever, and would *never* even consider a cloud-based OS. Yes, you read that correctly, *NEVER*.
    Wenda.
    Aren't we already sucking of the INTERNET'S teats, I can't imagine a world of sitting behind a computer without the Internet anymore, how absolutely frightening.

    Admittedly I have the same feeling toward the cloud, but I would never say never, and more and more I'm starting to see the sense in it.

    12 months ago I felt just as strongly about it as you, now not so much.
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  8. #28


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    I've been playing around with these things for over 25 years, but have only had the net for about four of those. For me, there's the security issue, there's also the matter of trust ie I don't, as a rule. And I'd rather pay for my OS and programs once, not per-use or as a subscription, and tend to use free or shareware progs rather than pay for a retail package. I'm not rich, by any stretch, nor do I like being tied-in to anything.
    Wenda.
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  9. #29


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    Hi there
    sometimes we get too reliant on technology so get totally lost when it fails - for example you can read every day how people drive to some really strange places when their GPS fails -- they've forgotten how to read maps or even basic road signs.

    I've defeated some quite clever "tech wizzes" by using some really Low tech solutions -- for example NOTHING - but NOTHING (CIA/ NSA etc will agree) beats a one-time pad for code encryption - even a "Quantum computer" if we could make the hardware.

    One-time pad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    File sharing "snoopers" can be defeated simply by using "Snail Mail" etc.

    There was a great 2 part program on Discovery Science Channel recently called Alien Invasion. - This wasn't a Science fiction or "Roswell conspiracy theory" program but a very reasoned discussion on what would we do in the case of a possible extraterrestial threat.

    Here's another reference to a similar program

    Watch: Alien Invasion: Are We Ready? Documentary (Documentary) Online Free

    Discussions included top brass military, scientists from Atlanta disease control center, physicists and engineers from around the world.
    Incredibly interesting program - but the end consensus seemed to be was forget trying to defeat these people using technology - but disperse as much military and civil resources as possible and wage a low tech Guerrilla war causing the vastly superior enemy to lose so much via continual attrition that in the end the logistics would work against them and they'd leave.

    We've got partial example of this strategy being successful on Earth -- US in Vietnam, Russians in Afghanistan, possibly British in N.I etc etc.

    I certainly wouldn't trust all my data /other needs to some "service" over which I (and in a lot of cases not even a Government that I've voted for) had any control or say over in how this is managed and protected - and as we all know services can just vanish overnight for all sorts of reasons.

    I'm certainly not by any stretch a "Luddite" and like new technology - but WE need to control it not let IT control US.

    Internet only stuff is fine in a lot of cases - for example replying to this very forum - but for a lot of other stuff -- NO THANKS--the cloud can as far as I'm concerned remain firmly in "CLOUD CUCKOO LAND".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    I've been playing around with these things for over 25 years, but have only had the net for about four of those. For me, there's the security issue, there's also the matter of trust ie I don't, as a rule. And I'd rather pay for my OS and programs once, not per-use or as a subscription, and tend to use free or shareware progs rather than pay for a retail package. I'm not rich, by any stretch, nor do I like being tied-in to anything.
    Wenda.
    Ive been on the Internet for 18 years and bulletin boards before that, you're already in the Wild West. The thing is being on the net is no scarier than having a credit card, which is pretty scary. I'm not sure if I'd trust all my info on the cloud but I'm starting to think that some stuff should be okay, after all I've been on the net for all this time with only a handful of viruses which were all caught by Virus programmes.

    I would have been one of the first people to do online banking in Australia, I used to ring my bank to see when they were going online, they didn't even know what that meant. Never had a problem, I think the cloud is going to be the same, but I'll always do backups and be as careful as possible.
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