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Windows 8 uncertainty blamed for decline in PC sales

  1. #71


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    I made a point a while back about lack of touch screens on new laptops and how OEMs failed to deliver. Here's an article that touches on that issue.

    Windows 8's sluggish sales blamed on OEMs by analysts - Techworld.com

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  2. #72


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    I'm not quite sure what makes 'touch' such a great deal in laptops and desktops, especially desktops. Touch is fine for simple activities, but try and do anything much more complex than typing a simple paragraph, for example (emphasis for the usual culprits), and the entire concept falls apart (unless you are into txt speak for example).
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  3. #73


    no way am I going to swap my desktop or laptop for a tablet, I take enough daily as it is
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  4. #74


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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Nothing gets my goat as a home builder more than the subject of "Sub prime slime"! Cons and thieves they all are so far as I'm concerned. They took the money made on mortgage fees and laughed all the way to the bank. Overall in America total real estate value declined $1.4 trillion in 2010. $800 million in 2011. I can't remember what it was in 2009 and I'm afraid to look what it was for 2012. Stolen so far as I'm concerned. It brought building down to near screeching hault, which, of course, effects a lot of other businesses. This is asset that is used for collateral for future building projects and other types of loans. Not no more. These thieves are not smart, for they really cheated themselves out of more future business as I see it.

    Wake up America!

    Rant over.....

    So far as the subject at hand; I think 8 in a way helped with the decline of desktop PC sales, but on the other hand, consumers will still spend their allotted computer money. I found with 8 that I don't need to upgrade to a newer desktop PC, for it runs just fine on my older Acer and on other older machines as I've read. I will upgrade a few peripherals is all. This frees up my money for something mobile. A tablet won't do it for me. I have a smart phone for "consumption". I'll look for something like a Surface Pro or some convertible so that I can do some business on it.

    Today is sponsored by the word "Mobile". Societies are on the move more than ever. We don't want to be tied to a desk as much any longer, although a desktop machine will always have it's place. We want to be able to bring a device to the family room, living room, back yard patio, the park, and so on.

    All in all, really a no-brainer.
    Just maybe there is a decline in PC sales as folks that already own one cannot see any reason to buy a new one. In my case there would be zero benefit in changing my i5 to an i7 although it would lighten up my wallet that’s for sure. Apart from buying a new car, I cannot think of a faster depreciating asset than buying a new PC when your existing one is doing everything required unless of course you’re into gaming and that’s another story.

    It’s not that long ago that covering 50,000 miles in a 4 cylinder car and you needed to replace it. Now they will just go on and on in many cases. So to blame declining PC sales on the tablet may only partially be true. Sure there are many that just want to go ‘social networking’ and check their e-mails and nothing else. A tablet is fine for that but anything else and your really into the PC/Laptop world.

    And please don’t get me going on the soapbox about the cannot be allowed to fail banks!!!!!
    Hi there
    My current most used laptop is an 11 inch Acer aspire with an I3 in it -- I fitted 8 GB RAM and an SSD and it has a USB3 port as well as 2 USB2 ones. Video out via HDMI can drive even large LCD's and the native 1366 X 768 is perfectly viewable on an 11 inch screen.

    I use this far more than a huge 17 inch laptop with an I7 processor in it !!! The smaller I3 processor is plenty for me and the battery life is brilliant when I'm on a plane and it really doesn't take up much more room than your basic tablet --and infinitely more versatile.

    However I got this BEFORE some of the newer "Tablets" were around -- these you can't really call tablets as they are in essence "Collapsible PC's" or portable screens which you can convert into a PC via "A docking station".

    As I've posted before is a Surface Pro with a keyboard actually a tablet or a PC.

    I'm sure these will replace things like basic tablets (Ipads come to mind -- beware Fruit Company -- your time at the top is all but over).

    What also people fail to realize -- doesn't matter how good a market you have -- volumes will ALWAYS DECLINE as the market matures -- upgraders don't make up most of the market these days -- you need to supply products with a great WOW factor -- the new apple stuff fails to inspire like it used to --in fact Ipads these days according to our local 15 year old "Know all" are decidedly Uncool so this next generation won't be buying them. They seem to like Samsung phones and it will be interesting to see how this lot like the new types of "computer like" tablets coming on stream shortly.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #75


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    Let me remind all you PC and Laptop naysayers of WHERE computing was going. Remember the Internet Appliances? I.E. The infamous iOpener, THAT was thought where the PC was going, People got smart and SEEN they were better off with a PC or Laptop because of the constraint of HDD size, and even though the tablets have a bigger HDD they are STILL well smaller of what you will find on a modern PC/Laptop. And that's not even counting the Video cards of today's PC/Laptops. These tablet devices have crappy video cards/graphics. My goodness look at the Apple iPad, those are graphics circa 1998. Want conveniences? Stick with a laptop! You'll get more work/fun done!
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  6. #76


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Let me remind all you PC and Laptop naysayers of WHERE computing was going. Remember the Internet Appliances? I.E. The infamous iOpener, THAT was thought where the PC was going, People got smart and SEEN they were better off with a PC or Laptop because of the constraint of HDD size, and even though the tablets have a bigger HDD they are STILL well smaller of what you will find on a modern PC/Laptop. And that's not even counting the Video cards of today's PC/Laptops. These tablet devices have crappy video cards/graphics. My goodness look at the Apple iPad, those are graphics circa 1998. Want conveniences? Stick with a laptop! You'll get more work/fun done!
    No, Mike, we (the market) didn't go the route of the Inet Appliances. That's a good example of companies developing and introducing technology that consumers simply didn't buy. Now it's on a different course. Touch.

    No, not the best screen resolution in the Surfaces or other hybrids, but a compromise for battery life. Yes? If anything, batteries need to be improved, as they have been an will continue to I'm sure.

    I'm one of the nuts that enjoys karaoke. These people use a lappy that they plug a SSD in that contains all the songs. A lot of data. If it goes bad for any reason, they simply plug in a duplicate they have on hand. SSDs don't use nearly the power of spinners, so I can see a lot of people using these along with hybrids. One can keep it in their pocket to plug in.

    All in all, devices and peripherals are becoming more versatile for a mobile touch market the more time goes on. Touch is the new wave.
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  7. #77


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    PCs are like TVs, once everyone bought one, no one wants to buy a newer one when the one they already have works fine. Except, you only need to pay 40 dollars to upgrade the software.
    I agree with that. I would be hard pressed to buy a new PC with Win8. I'd sooner use a decent older one, particularly one with UEFI, and dual boot Win7/Win8. Several legitimate approaches to dong so are possible. In this regard, I always like getting/staying out of the clutches of MS and OEM's as much as possible. Also, installing under UEFI isn't that important to me since booting to an SSD takes much of the booting pain away anyway. And, I am not overly concerned about not having secure boot. etc. But, note, in general, that I'd always rather use a good old PC and go my way (as above, for example) rather than buy a new one with a new OS--no matter what the OS.

    Still, Win8 being on "all" the new OEM computers may be a factor in slower PC sales. Win8 has had a lot of bad press, and bad press, in general, produces lots of effects--at least temporarily. Another point of interest is that there are a lot of very nice PC's out there for very low prices, and economic conditions are somewhat better "this" year--although we still have a great many economic uncertainties. Bottom line for me, I guess, is that. all things considered, Win8 being on "all" the new OEM PC's may very well be at least partially responsible for the noted relatively slow PC sales.
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  8. #78


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Let me remind all you PC and Laptop naysayers of WHERE computing was going. Remember the Internet Appliances? I.E. The infamous iOpener, THAT was thought where the PC was going, People got smart and SEEN they were better off with a PC or Laptop because of the constraint of HDD size, and even though the tablets have a bigger HDD they are STILL well smaller of what you will find on a modern PC/Laptop. And that's not even counting the Video cards of today's PC/Laptops. These tablet devices have crappy video cards/graphics. My goodness look at the Apple iPad, those are graphics circa 1998. Want conveniences? Stick with a laptop! You'll get more work/fun done!
    I haven't forgotten. But I simply cannot ignore the fact that tablets and portable devices are selling like crazy, while pc's/laptops are in a serious slump. People have clearly demonstrated that they are willing to give up lots of stuff for portability and popularity. On screen keyboards, no ability to print, lack of card readers, no USB ports, low end gaming performance....and the list goes on and on and on. Yep, iPad's had the best Christmas sales of all time.
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  9. #79


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Let me remind all you PC and Laptop naysayers of WHERE computing was going. Remember the Internet Appliances? I.E. The infamous iOpener, THAT was thought where the PC was going, People got smart and SEEN they were better off with a PC or Laptop because of the constraint of HDD size, and even though the tablets have a bigger HDD they are STILL well smaller of what you will find on a modern PC/Laptop. And that's not even counting the Video cards of today's PC/Laptops. These tablet devices have crappy video cards/graphics. My goodness look at the Apple iPad, those are graphics circa 1998. Want conveniences? Stick with a laptop! You'll get more work/fun done!
    I haven't forgotten. But I simply cannot ignore the fact that tablets and portable devices are selling like crazy, while pc's/laptops are in a serious slump. People have clearly demonstrated that they are willing to give up lots of stuff for portability and popularity. On screen keyboards, no ability to print, lack of card readers, no USB ports, low end gaming performance....and the list goes on and on and on. Yep, iPad's had the best Christmas sales of all time.
    But those same people don't always want to give up their current PC. They will still use the features and storage of their PC to make up for their phablets shortcomings.

    A tablet PC on the other hand, ESPECIALLY one with an AMD APU to compensate for graphics performance, along with a variety of ports and addons, there isn't a need to make tradeoffs. You have a tablet, you have a PC. Tablet PC. Windows 8 style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    I can see a tablet being a non-essential, but useful option for me, but it will never replace a 'proper' system in my case. Social-networking is not my thing, and I am not a 'content-consumer'. I not only need and want, but insist upon a powerful, fast machine with lots of storage space and a decent-sized 1080p screen. Mobile 'consumer' computing, facebook and Twitter is not, and never will be my idea of what real computing is all about. I'm one of those who will never relinquish the 'desktop/powerful laptop' paradigm. 'Real' computers won't go away, but sales will drop (then stabilise) as the great unwashed continue to realise that they never needed a PC in the first place to do what they do. An interactive TV would suit them better (or a phone/tablet). Doesn't do it for me though, I'm afraid.
    Wenda.
    Like a lot of people, you still view the Windows 8 Pro Tablets as a toy, something that is only good for Social and Content Consuming.
    Like a lot of people, you fail to see that Windows 8 Pro Tablets are not iPad's or Android based tablets, yes, WinRT is.
    Like a lot of people, you can not see what Win8 Pro Tablets are going to actually do to the market once in full swing.
    Like a lot of people, You can not fathom the idea that they will/do have i5 and soon if not already i7 processors with 4G+ RAM

    Along with everything else that comes with them, for a lot of people, especially those that don't do heavy gaming, Win8 Pro Tablets will be as powerful as the desktops they own now, and will soon replace them.

    NOTE: and I ask you all this......... For those people that do, why would they waste their money on an iPad or Android tablet that is extremely limited in their functionality, when they can spend a little bit more and be able to take all of their software and entire desktop with them wherever they go, just as easily as taking one of those other very limited in usability devices?

    My apologies, Tepid, for the long delay in replying. I've had some over-heating issues that I had to address (this Aussie heat-wave isn't kind to computers, and this thing has been hitting shut-down temps regularly lately. Fixed now, amazing the uses one can find for a bicycle-pump!).

    Let me address your points:

    1/ Not the Pro, I was referring to the RT. Perhaps I should have been clearer on this. My bad.

    2/ No, I'm well aware of that. See above. BTW, I have had a bit of a play around with a Surface RT, and they're fine, for what they are.

    3/ I wasn't talking about the market, I was referring to my personal needs/tastes. Others' needs etc will, of course, be different.

    4/ Well aware of that, too. Actually, if I did not already have a very powerful laptop (i7 Sandy Bridge), the Surface Pro (not the RT) would probably be on my shopping-list. A Surface Pro with an i7, 8-16 GB RAM, a big HDD and at least a 16" screen would be great, IF I needed one. I don't, at this time, of course that could change.

    Computer users/hobbyists/enthusiasts can't be put into the same box, everyone's needs, tastes and preferences will always be different. Not necessarily wrong or right, but different. A Surface Pro would be an addition to my current machines, not a replacement. My 'mobile' computing needs are limited, I can do most of it (email etc) on the phone. As stated, I don't do the Facebook/Twitter dance. Others may need more horsepower in a mobile computer than a phone can provide..

    Please don't construe this as an attack, or as 'dissing' your points, it isn't. But for me, at this time, I don't need one, and cannot justify the cost (again, at this time). I have been computing for nearly 30 years, and apart from this i7 I have a Core2 Duo laptop, an ancient but unbreakable Pentium IV and a reasonably well-specced smartphone (no, not an iPhone), as well as several 'non-PC' computers, so I'm no novice or Luddite. Oh, I do game a bit, as well.

    Anyway, Tepid, thanks for your input and for the points you made. Definitely 'food for thought'. Maybe we won't see eye-to-eye on this, but hey! That's life.

    Have a great day :-)

    Wenda.
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