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Windows 8 uncertainty blamed for decline in PC sales

  1. #61


    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    A tablet maybe like your PC but I can assure you it is nothing like my PC and has no place for me.

    And while w8 may not be the cause of shrinking PC sales it surely did nothing to breathe life into them. DOA for just about everyone I know.
    I think this story hits the decline of PC sales on the head.

    Gartner sees 'structural shift' in PC market - Computerworld

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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    A tablet maybe like your PC but I can assure you it is nothing like my PC and has no place for me.

    And while w8 may not be the cause of shrinking PC sales it surely did nothing to breathe life into them. DOA for just about everyone I know.
    I think this story hits the decline of PC sales on the head.

    Gartner sees 'structural shift' in PC market - Computerworld

    Hi there

    Not that rubbish organisation "Gartner" again. Their stuff is only 50% right and that's what you would get by random guessing anyway.

    They are one of the most USELESS "Consultanicies" on the planet. Why people even bother to read their stuff is beyond me.

    How they still have some sort of OK reputation with some big customers I just don't understand -- mind you look at Standard and Poors (S&P) credit reference agency who rate countries for credit worthyness etc -- even this so called "respected" agency totally missed the problems in the banking industry and the economy a few years back --remember the "Sub prime slime" - and lending out masses of money to people who had a snowballs chance in hell of ever paying it back.

    They bring ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the table and there isn't anything in the report that hasn't been said before in this thread.

    In any case what's a tablet and what's a PC these days -- a surface pro with a keyboard is simply a "Collapsible PC".

    remember the duck thing -- If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck -- then it's a Duck.

    What can't a tablet like the Surface PRO with a keyboard do that a PC can do -- and look at so called PC's like the HP ENVY series where you simply remove the lid and it's a thin tablet. So is a tablet inserted into essentially what is a docking station a tablet or a PC.

    The whole question is academic anyway. -- All that is happening is that manufacturers are still producing hardware for which there is a diminishing or changing market and they will have to change or go out of business --what's new about that -- has happened ever since the very first piece of manufactured equipment was produced - probably way back in ancient Egyptian times or even before.

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    I can see a tablet being a non-essential, but useful option for me, but it will never replace a 'proper' system in my case. Social-networking is not my thing, and I am not a 'content-consumer'. I not only need and want, but insist upon a powerful, fast machine with lots of storage space and a decent-sized 1080p screen. Mobile 'consumer' computing, facebook and Twitter is not, and never will be my idea of what real computing is all about. I'm one of those who will never relinquish the 'desktop/powerful laptop' paradigm. 'Real' computers won't go away, but sales will drop (then stabilise) as the great unwashed continue to realise that they never needed a PC in the first place to do what they do. An interactive TV would suit them better (or a phone/tablet). Doesn't do it for me though, I'm afraid.
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  4. #64


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    A tablet maybe like your PC but I can assure you it is nothing like my PC and has no place for me.

    And while w8 may not be the cause of shrinking PC sales it surely did nothing to breathe life into them. DOA for just about everyone I know.
    I think this story hits the decline of PC sales on the head.

    Gartner sees 'structural shift' in PC market - Computerworld

    Hi there

    Not that rubbish organisation "Gartner" again. Their stuff is only 50% right and that's what you would get by random guessing anyway.

    They are one of the most USELESS "Consultanicies" on the planet. Why people even bother to read their stuff is beyond me.

    How they still have some sort of OK reputation with some big customers I just don't understand -- mind you look at Standard and Poors (S&P) credit reference agency who rate countries for credit worthyness etc -- even this so called "respected" agency totally missed the problems in the banking industry and the economy a few years back --remember the "Sub prime slime" - and lending out masses of money to people who had a snowballs chance in hell of ever paying it back.

    They bring ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the table and there isn't anything in the report that hasn't been said before in this thread.

    In any case what's a tablet and what's a PC these days -- a surface pro with a keyboard is simply a "Collapsible PC".

    remember the duck thing -- If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck -- then it's a Duck.

    What can't a tablet like the Surface PRO with a keyboard do that a PC can do -- and look at so called PC's like the HP ENVY series where you simply remove the lid and it's a thin tablet. So is a tablet inserted into essentially what is a docking station a tablet or a PC.

    The whole question is academic anyway. -- All that is happening is that manufacturers are still producing hardware for which there is a diminishing or changing market and they will have to change or go out of business --what's new about that -- has happened ever since the very first piece of manufactured equipment was produced - probably way back in ancient Egyptian times or even before.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Right on, Jimbo! Agree 100%. First of all, a no-brainer that the computer market has and will continue to change. Dah! Lol that they post think article as some great revaluation!

    Nothing gets my goat as a home builder more than the subject of "Sub prime slime"! Cons and thieves they all are so far as I'm concerned. They took the money made on mortgage fees and laughed all the way to the bank. Overall in America total real estate value declined $1.4 trillion in 2010. $800 million in 2011. I can't remember what it was in 2009 and I'm afraid to look what it was for 2012. Stolen so far as I'm concerned. It brought building down to near screeching hault, which, of course, effects a lot of other businesses. This is asset that is used for collateral for future building projects and other types of loans. Not no more. These thieves are not smart, for they really cheated themselves out of more future business as I see it.

    Wake up America!

    Rant over.....

    So far as the subject at hand; I think 8 in a way helped with the decline of desktop PC sales, but on the other hand, consumers will still spend their allotted computer money. I found with 8 that I don't need to upgrade to a newer desktop PC, for it runs just fine on my older Acer and on other older machines as I've read. I will upgrade a few peripherals is all. This frees up my money for something mobile. A tablet won't do it for me. I have a smart phone for "consumption". I'll look for something like a Surface Pro or some convertible so that I can do some business on it.

    Today is sponsored by the word "Mobile". Societies are on the move more than ever. We don't want to be tied to a desk as much any longer, although a desktop machine will always have it's place. We want to be able to bring a device to the family room, living room, back yard patio, the park, and so on.

    All in all, really a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Nothing gets my goat as a home builder more than the subject of "Sub prime slime"! Cons and thieves they all are so far as I'm concerned. They took the money made on mortgage fees and laughed all the way to the bank. Overall in America total real estate value declined $1.4 trillion in 2010. $800 million in 2011. I can't remember what it was in 2009 and I'm afraid to look what it was for 2012. Stolen so far as I'm concerned. It brought building down to near screeching hault, which, of course, effects a lot of other businesses. This is asset that is used for collateral for future building projects and other types of loans. Not no more. These thieves are not smart, for they really cheated themselves out of more future business as I see it.

    Wake up America!

    Rant over.....

    So far as the subject at hand; I think 8 in a way helped with the decline of desktop PC sales, but on the other hand, consumers will still spend their allotted computer money. I found with 8 that I don't need to upgrade to a newer desktop PC, for it runs just fine on my older Acer and on other older machines as I've read. I will upgrade a few peripherals is all. This frees up my money for something mobile. A tablet won't do it for me. I have a smart phone for "consumption". I'll look for something like a Surface Pro or some convertible so that I can do some business on it.

    Today is sponsored by the word "Mobile". Societies are on the move more than ever. We don't want to be tied to a desk as much any longer, although a desktop machine will always have it's place. We want to be able to bring a device to the family room, living room, back yard patio, the park, and so on.

    All in all, really a no-brainer.
    Just maybe there is a decline in PC sales as folks that already own one cannot see any reason to buy a new one. In my case there would be zero benefit in changing my i5 to an i7 although it would lighten up my wallet that’s for sure. Apart from buying a new car, I cannot think of a faster depreciating asset than buying a new PC when your existing one is doing everything required unless of course you’re into gaming and that’s another story.

    It’s not that long ago that covering 50,000 miles in a 4 cylinder car and you needed to replace it. Now they will just go on and on in many cases. So to blame declining PC sales on the tablet may only partially be true. Sure there are many that just want to go ‘social networking’ and check their e-mails and nothing else. A tablet is fine for that but anything else and your really into the PC/Laptop world.

    And please don’t get me going on the soapbox about the cannot be allowed to fail banks!!!!!
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    If anything should be given concern... apple's stock is currently at 485 dollars a share due to concerns the iphone 5 isn't obviously selling as expected, and has missed three out of five profit projections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    If anything should be given concern... apple's stock is currently at 485 dollars a share due to concerns the iphone 5 isn't obviously selling as expected, and has missed three out of five profit projections.
    Maybe folks are beginning to look at the real world benefits and do they really need it. But you'll always have your must have the latest fruit company offering, well until the next fashion accessory company appears!!
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    Products have a life cycle. It is normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    I can see a tablet being a non-essential, but useful option for me, but it will never replace a 'proper' system in my case. Social-networking is not my thing, and I am not a 'content-consumer'. I not only need and want, but insist upon a powerful, fast machine with lots of storage space and a decent-sized 1080p screen. Mobile 'consumer' computing, facebook and Twitter is not, and never will be my idea of what real computing is all about. I'm one of those who will never relinquish the 'desktop/powerful laptop' paradigm. 'Real' computers won't go away, but sales will drop (then stabilise) as the great unwashed continue to realise that they never needed a PC in the first place to do what they do. An interactive TV would suit them better (or a phone/tablet). Doesn't do it for me though, I'm afraid.
    Wenda.
    Like a lot of people, you still view the Windows 8 Pro Tablets as a toy, something that is only good for Social and Content Consuming.
    Like a lot of people, you fail to see that Windows 8 Pro Tablets are not iPad's or Android based tablets, yes, WinRT is.
    Like a lot of people, you can not see what Win8 Pro Tablets are going to actually do to the market once in full swing.
    Like a lot of people, You can not fathom the idea that they will/do have i5 and soon if not already i7 processors with 4G+ RAM

    Along with everything else that comes with them, for a lot of people, especially those that don't do heavy gaming, Win8 Pro Tablets will be as powerful as the desktops they own now, and will soon replace them.

    NOTE: and I ask you all this......... For those people that do, why would they waste their money on an iPad or Android tablet that is extremely limited in their functionality, when they can spend a little bit more and be able to take all of their software and entire desktop with them wherever they go, just as easily as taking one of those other very limited in usability devices?
    Last edited by Tepid; 15 Jan 2013 at 23:00.
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    Once AMD gets their poop in a group with their tablet/ultrabook oriented APUs, gaming on such devices will happen. Radeon graphics puts the hurt on Intel's graphics offerings.
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