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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Lets put it this way, if MS put the Start Menu back in, who would have gone to metro.

    Or if they'd bought Surface Pro out first who'd go back to a cut down version.
    Plenty would try the apps, if for no other reason than curiosity. Eventually, when Microsoft actually allowed you to re-size and re-position apps any way you like, people would have started to use them for the versatility that would have provided, as an adjunct to the desktop.

    All of Microsoft's efforts should have gone into releasing Windows 8, not RT. Everyone was waiting for a upgrade to Windows 7, not a cut down version. Windows RT could have been marketed differently later on, as a cut down version, not struggling from the outset to explain to people why you couldn't run Office etc in RT.

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    Office comes preinstalled with WinRT, it is part of the WinRT experience. Not an additional install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Lets put it this way, if MS put the Start Menu back in, who would have gone to metro.

    Or if they'd bought Surface Pro out first who'd go back to a cut down version.
    Plenty would try the apps, if for no other reason than curiosity. Eventually, when Microsoft actually allowed you to re-size and re-position apps any way you like, people would have started to use them for the versatility that would have provided, as an adjunct to the desktop.

    All of Microsoft's efforts should have gone into releasing Windows 8, not RT. Everyone was waiting for a upgrade to Windows 7, not a cut down version. Windows RT could have been marketed differently later on, as a cut down version, not struggling from the outset to explain to people why you couldn't run Office etc in RT.
    Whatever the reasoning behind their decisions is in the past, I'm more interested in the future. It's their business what they do, I can only guess as to why they may or may not have done something.

    I just hope they and the OEM'S stay strong so we can see what's possible in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Office comes preinstalled with WinRT, it is part of the WinRT experience. Not an additional install.
    Cherry picking once again and totally missing the point. I mentioned Office etc, to reflect the full gamut of regular Windows compatible programs that are not supported on RT (Office for RT is a cut back version in any case). If I'd mentioned Photoshop or the like, I suppose you would have said not many people use Photoshop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Lets put it this way, if MS put the Start Menu back in, who would have gone to metro.

    Or if they'd bought Surface Pro out first who'd go back to a cut down version.
    Plenty would try the apps, if for no other reason than curiosity. Eventually, when Microsoft actually allowed you to re-size and re-position apps any way you like, people would have started to use them for the versatility that would have provided, as an adjunct to the desktop.

    All of Microsoft's efforts should have gone into releasing Windows 8, not RT. Everyone was waiting for a upgrade to Windows 7, not a cut down version. Windows RT could have been marketed differently later on, as a cut down version, not struggling from the outset to explain to people why you couldn't run Office etc in RT.
    Surface RT, not Surface 8 Pro, is the equivalent competition to the iPad. Why on this green earth would MS do it in reverse?

    If you will, I'd like to ask you a few questions, Ray, since you remain fairly anonymous in your profile.

    Do you own a company or have a business degree?

    If you own a company, do you have research, development, and advertising departments?

    If you have a business degree, have you studied and learned of these departments I mentioned?
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    No I wouldn't and it's not a cut back version,, it is basically Home And Student 2013
    Word, Excel, Power Point and OneNote. Fully functional. No, this isn't Cherry Picking, it is setting the record straight

    Windows RT could have been marketed differently later on, as a cut down version, not struggling from the outset to explain to people why you couldn't run Office etc in RT.
    Which is false in every since,, you made that statement and it was a false, wrong, incorrect, statement.
    Just like many of the so called Review Articles that abound out there now. There are a ton of them filled with false, incorrect information.

    I can admin when i am wrong, so I did go and look. And found that it is a slightly cut back version of Office Home and Student for Security reasons..

    Office Home & Student RT Preview - Office.com

    Does Office Home & Student 2013 RT (Preview and the final edition) include the same features as Office Home & Student 2013 on my Windows 7 or Windows 8 PC?
    Almost – Word 2013 RT, Excel 2013 RT, PowerPoint 2013 RT and OneNote 2013 RT in Office Home & Student 2013 RT include the vast majority of Office Home & Student 2013 features available on PCs, and nearly all the features most customers use. But because tablets have special needs for security and mobility, a few features are unavailable in Office Home & Student 2013 RT, including macros, add-ins, and other custom programs written by users or developed by third parties.
    That doesn't negate the fact that it is still there and usable. On RT.

    And the reason for that is you can't install any AV that is not available in the MS Store. but you can't do that on iPad or Android unless it is in their App Stores either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
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    Surface RT, not Surface 8 Pro, is the equivalent competition to the iPad. Why on this green earth would MS do it in reverse?

    If you will, I'd like to ask you a few questions, Ray, since you remain fairly anonymous in your profile.

    Do you own a company or have a business degree?

    If you own a company, do you have research, development, and advertising departments?

    If you have a business degree, have you studied and learned of these departments I mentioned?
    I realise that RT is the Android/iOS competition platform and which is what Microsoft wants to tackle long term. But they are not going to overturn that market overnight. Windows 8 Pro would have built immediately on the existing Windows userbase, especially those who have hung on to XP and Vista and those who were considering a tablet but needed full windows capability, and also introduced them to the apps as a side benefit.

    When new products are introduced into the market, companies invariably introduce their flagship first and then follow up with less expensive and less featured versions for the masses. This has always been the case with consumer products, be it cameras or cars.

    As for your questions, I've done an MBA, have a science degree, project management diploma and have been involved in various areas of research and development, as well as marketing, for many years. I'm semi-retired, but keep on top of all such things, which remain of interest to me. I also do some consulting work, related to product marketing in a research environment.

    I guess that you're asking whether I have a clue. I think I do.
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    Again, I agree, WinRT leading this out of the gate was the wrong decision.

    I admit, MS could have taken the world by storm had they stuck with the Gadget type Apps, and just locked them down like they have now.
    Running these Apps from the desktop in a windowed environment and allowed for full desktop apps to run along side them would have fully and completely destroyed Apple and Google. Especially if they had pushed harder for the cross platform apps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    No I wouldn't and it's not a cut back version,, it is basically Home And Student 2013
    Word, Excel, Power Point and OneNote. Fully functional. No, this isn't Cherry Picking, it is setting the record straight.
    The fact is, all I was pointing out is that RT is not a full blown PC, that's why there is Windows 8 Pro. Arguing over the semantics of what RT comes with is pointless, and it's a fact that people are confused about the two versions and what they can do. That, in itself, is a big marketing mistake by Microsoft.

    In the words of a famous quote: 'Microsoft managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.' Mind you, this only relates to the Surface; third party manufacturers will take a different approach and sell Windows 8 Pro devices as the devices of choice. Samsung has already taken this approach.
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    Arguing over the semantics of what RT comes with is pointless, and it's a fact that people are confused about the two versions and what they can do.
    It is the exact point....

    Again, there are a lot of so called informed articles out there spewing a lot of untrue information.

    People do read things, and they don't always take things with a grain of salt and do their own research, they read a blog, or a post and take that as what it is. Stating that WinRT can't run Office, (as you did, there is no denying you did say that) is in fact not true. not only adding to the confusion that already exists, but perpetuating it.

    Someone who doesn't know and my be reading this, will read that and may walk away believing that WinRT can not run Office.
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